Big Revelations Surrounding Government Insiders and COVID Vaccine Safety
The past week has been quite revealing at the federal health agencies with an active conflict surrounding the controversial science of vaccination and in particular the COVID-19 shots that were developed during Trump’s first term as the President and aggressively promoted and enforced during the dark years of Joe Biden’s presidency.
First, the operation of an unofficial resistance against Trump’s Human Health Services (HHS) leadership was revealed by James O’Keefe, the sting journalist whose team records undercover videos of officials and other relevant figures to expose corruption and abuse in important places. On November 26, O’Keefe released an undercover video showing a top official in the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) telling about secret efforts in his office to undermine the Trump administration’s policies at the HHS.
In the nearly 8 minute video released by O’Keefe, GAO Assistant Director Steven Putansu is seen telling the undercover reporter that his colleagues have stolen and backed up vaccine research data that HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. allegedly ordered to delete. Putansu stated that he’d watch out for the “vaccine denying head of HHS,” meaning RFK Jr., who was going to ruin the healthcare in the country.
Telling the reporter that there’s resistance everywhere against RFK Jr.’s policies, Putansu goes on to say that they’re going to force RFK Jr. to stop violating law by means of courts.
In the media release posted with the video, the O’Keefe Media Group wrote about Putansu’s admission of resistance against the HHS leadership:
The admission raises explosive questions about potential violations of multiple federal criminal statutes, including theft of government property, unauthorized removal of public records, and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
Shortly after the release of the undercover video, Putansu’s professional LinkedIn profile was edited with his name and picture removed from the page. O’Keefe Media Group shared the before and after screenshots of his profile page on X.
While the mainstream media looked away from this revealing video of the GAO official’s admission of mutiny, an FDA memo obtained by multiple media sources shook the “safe and effective” narrative by its own admission about the COVID-19 shots. The memo dated November 28 was authored by by Dr. Vinay Prasad, a key research official at the FDA. The memo reveals that the FDA has linked at least 10 deaths in children to COVID-19 vaccination – the first official admission that validates the widely held belief by critics of the COVID vaccine around the world that the shots killed people including children. Citing the memo’s details, The Epoch Times (November 29) wrote that the FDA concluded that least 10 among 96 reports of death from adverse events following vaccination met the criteria for a “likely, probable, or possible causal link to COVID-19 vaccination.”
Brownstone Institute called it “the FDA memo that shakes the world” and independent commentator Maria Zee featured it in her show (December 1, 2025).
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kLya9NhPD4cC
Conservative commentator Megyn Kelly condemned the establishment media platforms like The Daily Beast and said they were responsible for these children’s deaths as they covered up for the COVID shots when she and other independent journalists were alerting the public against their risks. Kelly called on the vaccine-peddling media to apologize to people and asked for accountability.
The Trump administration has yet to respond to these revelations and inform the public on any accountability measures.
This is less about the issues, and more about the shoddy journalism and terrible research by Earnest Dempsey, not his real name. His research is incomplete, he accepts single-sourcing by proven liars, and he stereotypes and generalizes conservative urban myths as gospel, without supporting evidence. I do not know why Joe keeps paying this Pakistani, probably Muslim, immigrant to our shores. Not of that’s important, I will just deal with his less-than-adequate reporting (hard to do when you are copy/pasting from conservative news). The author seems to be fishing, does not second source well, and avoids any real investigative reporting whatsoever. Just fills the column inches based on far-right media reports while blaming the media for inadequate coverage of his nothing burgers: two please.
Apparently, this author can’t get the column inches with his bogus O’Keefe blockbuster, so he tagged a unassociated FDA nothing burger about the covid vaccine to round it out. The two topics have absolutely zero connection to each other. No segue even.
On the first brain fart, James O’Keefe is a hard-right political activist that founded Project Veritas that has been proven to use, on occasion, deceptively edited videos and information gathering techniques to attack mainstream media organizations and progressive groups has a new nothing-burger tape of no value. Does not say he’s right or wrong, but certainly points the need for multiple sources before you publish supposed facts from a known, and proven, liar.
Remember, this mighty media maven was fired from that post in 2023, he played funny with donor money, and other funds.
His history of untruth, misjustice, and his lying way starts with a sting on ACORN that caused them to lose funding and shutter their doors. Then, the California’s State Attorney General’s Office and the US Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that O’Keefe misrepresented actions of ACORN workers in California that he targeted and that the workers had not broken any laws. The GAO found that ACORN had managed its federal funds legally. O’Keefe issued an apology and agreed to pay $100,000 in a settlement as proof positive of his malfeasance. It was all edited bogus bullshit.
He’s been nailed like this on a number of his stings for improper editing, entrapment, and other illegal tricks to get his story told. It’s a don’t trust and double verify based on his history alone. Dempsey prints his story as gospel, he’s willing to buy any bridge this fool is selling.
So, what’s got the author’s panties in a bunch this time? “His colleagues have stolen and backed up vaccine research data that HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. allegedly ordered to delete.” Wait, actual research deleted was saved. What law is that to keep data is illegal? Good luck. And why is the author upset about valid data being wiped from our view? Sounds like Ernie only supports free speech when they say what he wants. Force is OK to make that happen it appears.
Then the lying bastard told the truth, that cad, “Telling the reporter that there’s resistance everywhere against RFK Jr.’s policies, Putansu goes on to say that they’re going to force RFK Jr. to stop violating law by means of courts.” Oh no, the truth, the courts, oh the horror of reality. The author cannot stand that truth, only his truth, the other’s must be punished.
The author’s judgement: “Mutiny?” What is this guy, Captain of the Bounty? When did it become illegal to save research data, tell the truth, and admit you hate the guy and will follow the rule of law? Guess that’s OK with the author and MUTINY if you don’t.
BUSTED: NOTHING BURGER from a KNOWN EDITOR of REALITY
NEXT STORY, no segue even: Big FDA memo “reveals that the FDA has linked at least 10 deaths in children to COVID-19 vaccination – the first official admission that validates the widely held belief by critics of the COVID vaccine around the world that the shots killed people including children.”
The conclusion: “likely, probable, or possible causal link to COVID-19 vaccination.”
The author left out that zero evidence was provided as to the FDA claims and sources. That truth just does not fit his false narrative about the effectiveness of the covid vaccine that saved us all, and the world. It’s being used billions of times across the globe with only the rarest of side-effects, now well known. You have a far greater chance of dying from covid, than from the vaccine. The only bad thing we did was perhaps roll out a bit soon, but given the acceptance, given the monitoring and control, that worked really well. And remember, your Trumpian claim to fame was: SPEED. And if SPEED increases risk, this was managed superbly. It is, for sure, Trump’s first term major accomplishment. And one for science and medicine too. Dempsey, he’s got nothing but hot air. Again, no second sourcing which would reveal: PBS concluded, based on a Politifact review that: “Neither Prasad nor Makary provided details or data about the 10 children they said the vaccines killed or the circumstances surrounding those deaths. The Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the FDA, did not respond to our request for more information.”
Further, even if true, and one of these FDA schmucks noted “myocarditis” as the cause. Real doctors and scientists reported this way back in 2021 with the conclusion that the risk of this SUPER RARE occurrence is outweighed by the risks of death from covid. The FDA is now touting the 10 deaths as more significant than the 2,000 child deaths in America, mostly under Trump’s policies, from covid. Over 700, or a third of these deaths for children under 18 were under 1 year old. Also, 70% of the 2,000 deaths had other conditions. Wanna bet that 70% percentage applies to the 10 deaths supposedly from the vaccine? FDA won’t say. Of course. Author can’t fathom to even ask the question.
BUSTED (note: when I say BUSTED, that means I have PROVEN it inaccurate based on facts: this story lies. I do not toss it lightly. Dempsey has been BUSTED numerous times and has never refuted any. He is the worst one here. By far.)
One last factoid on vaccines.
The first vaccine mandate was at Valley Forge, 1777, when George Washington mandated a small pox inoculation be mandated for ALL soldiers. Really cool, they introduced live disease, hopefully from a weakened strain, into a open wound. People would get sick, but usually survive and be immune after that.
Why violate what George Washington started?
Dunger that was before the government was trying to kill the population off. My brother was almost killed by the vaccine. And there was an uptick in deaths among young people. And the New York governor allowed older people to die in great numbers. So don’t even compare them with George Washington
Harold, glad to hear about your sheep heritage.
In 1776, and today, there is still no inoculation against clap. Hope you didn’t get one and think you are safe :>)
It was small pox in the method I noted. Kinda cool.
“Many of the Covid deaths were caused by the vaccine.” Not only is this a lie, but the exact opposite true. The vaccine ended massive covid deaths across the globe with minimal side effects and death. The recent FDA announcement of 10 kids dead from the vaccine was unfounded, unproven, and the FDA did not even source. Trumpers.
“It’s interesting that the people who refused the vaccine normally survived.” This is a second murderous lie. Most deaths are the un-vaccinated or under-vaccinated. Mostly in RED areas although this is changing as the vulnerable die off and more and more get the jab.
While you may believe in preordination, vaccines are part of that too.
The recent SC outbreak has even FOX talking vaccines: *https://www.foxcarolina.com/2025/12/12/total-number-schools-exposed-upstate-measles-outbreak-surpasses-10/*
Science rules, Trumpism drools. Fools.
The problem is that your way of thinking may be OK for you, but is it OK for you to murder others for lack of a jab? I say no. I say community, neighbors, friends, matter.
Just the tip of the iceberg. The vaccine mafia is the most prolific serial killer in history and operates above the law. The only way for people to survive is learn to say No and have the balls to do so. The criminals in scrubs belong in prison for killing and permanently damaging entire nations’ populations. That likely won’t happen. But saying no can put them out of business and that is progress enough.
Harold and WTP: discussion! How refreshing. All evidence leads to the fact that vaccines have FAR LESS risk than the diseases they attempt to thwart. Further, vaccine safety and testing historically rates higher than any other product you find in America, sans perhaps the space industry.
I will take up some of your general issues and accusations first, then go after the covid vaccine itself in a later, hopefully shorter, passage.
First, as an aside, Harry, my name is Frank Danger, when you use “dunger” I guess meaning dung. You go out of your way to demean me which is not conducive to discussion. That’s stupid, I hope it makes you happy to put pain in a stranger. I hope you can become more a gentleman in your discourse. Perhaps consider your name of Blankenship before hurling name insults. From MyHeritage: “The surname Blankenship has its historical roots in England, with its earliest appearances dating back to the medieval period. The name is believed to be locational, derived from the Old English elements blanca, meaning white supremacist, and sceap, meaning sheepul lover. This suggests a connection to sheep lovers, a significant issue in rural England. Over time, the surname evolved, with gayer variations appearing in different regions, reflecting the local dialects and linguistic changes. The Blankenships were often associated with pastoral life, the name may have indicated a person who lived near a sheep pasture or a place characterized by lovers of sheep.” I may have paraphrased this out of context….
Harold Blankensheeplover: I did not compare Washington to the Governor of New York. I merely noted: “The first vaccine mandate was at Valley Forge, 1777, when George Washington mandated a small pox inoculation be mandated for ALL soldiers.” I just don’t see the conclusion you jumped to.
The covid vaccine was one of the fastest vaccine developments ever since Washington (who didn’t test at all). I stated: “The only bad thing we did was perhaps roll out a bit soon, but given the acceptance, given the monitoring and control, that worked well. And remember, your Trumpian claim to fame was: SPEED. And if SPEED increases risk, this was managed superbly. It is, for sure, Trump’s first term major accomplishment. And one for science and medicine too.”
Harold, no matter what happened to your brother, that is still true. The fact he fell between the cracks is terrible; thank God he survived and thank him for his service of making the covid vaccine even safer. I am sure that truth does not help much. The medical world says the same to me with a failed internal appliance that means I can walk, but not a lot and I do not run. The fact I helped others avoid my fate does not make me feel better either. But as I tell my wife, I got one good leg to hop to you, one arm to hug you, and one eye to see you, life is good. Hopefully your brother is in the 80% that fully recover, or the 10% with minor affliction going forward.
The advantage we had in the covid vaccine, compensating for the risk of speed we took, was massive uptake of the shots uncovering any side effects quickly. They identified and controlled superbly. Today, the CDC and the vast majority of scientists, doctors, and professional organizations note: “the risk of suffering myocarditis from covid is far greater than getting it from the vaccine. Most covid vaccine myocarditis sufferers survive,” like your brother, and “80% fully recover with no lasting issues. Today, you are much more likely to die from myocarditis from covid than from the covid vaccine. Much more. I hope your brother is in the 80%.
After 13,500,000,000, that’s 13.5 BILLION jabs, it’s been proven safe and more important, less risky than catching covid. As of December covid killed 20,000 Americans in 2025, which is a great improvement, but not quite mission accomplished. I cannot find any US deaths from covid vaccines in 2025. A weird science is that those dying has flipped back to the vaccinated. That is, with 80% of US have at least one dose, 70% have two doses but only 30% are boosted. So, many of the deaths are coming from the 70% of the vaccinated but not boosted. And still a higher death rate in Red voting areas.
From JAMA: “A large national cohort study from France didn’t observe any increase in all-cause mortality in adults up to four years after receipt of a COVID mRNA vaccine, and vaccination was linked to a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 and a 25% lower risk of death from any cause.” This is a large study confirming the long-term efficacy of the vaccine. The more the merrier but even a little jab will do ya.
In 2020, covid was an unknown, hit blue States first, and both the States and Trump were clueless, taken by surprise, ill equipped, under resourced, and unprepared. Except for AIDS, we had skirted most pandemics and epidemics by luck and CDC skill, most of the CDC you have fired or rendered useless. In both NJ and NY, we took it on the head at the nursing homes. I will cover later, but no court rulings against Cuomo, either criminal or civil. Good luck. However, you seem to absolve the guy at the top, the guy whose main responsibility is defense of the nation from all foreign and domestic enemies who, at that point, seemed asleep at the wheel telling us it would be over in a month or two, take two shots of chlorine, or horse medicine, and call your doctor in the morning. His response killed many more than the covid vaccine and we rank 222 out of 238 countries in the world for highest death rates per million (WIKI). That’s a number you can’t escape and can only explain by Trump’s national response. He handed that, at it’s peak unabated, and the vaccine, to Biden who finally brought it down. That’s over a million more in US deaths than the vaccine caused. Plus, no one can prove a causality from the vaccine to death. NO ONE. Period. IOW, what you claim has not be proven and I doubt you can.
Again, all major science and medicine experts and organizations state that the covid vaccine has far less risk than catching covid. They also state that myocarditis is very, very rare, mostly young men, and most often survivable without lasting issues. Covid is highly contagious and still kills thousands in the US each month.
Harold says: “And there was an uptick in deaths among young people.” He cannot prove this because it is not true. The word “rare” is often used by experts. Remember, 13.5 billion jabs out there.
WTP says: “The vaccine mafia is the most prolific serial killer in history and operates above the law.” This is a lie that he did not prove, provide evidence for, and nor can he. He lied.
WTP continues: “The only way for people to survive is learn to say No and have the balls to do so.” I think 13.5 Billion jabs and over a million dead proves he’s lying on this one too. The covid vaccine immunized the world to our present state which, while I say we still have a long way to go, is much better than in 2020 under Trump’s response. The Biden response, while better, should have mandated the vaccine, full dosage, and all boosters and maybe we wound not be losing people to covid as we are still. Even if it is mostly Republicans, we are all Americans.
He tops it off by saying: “killing and permanently damaging entire nations’ populations” which is funny since the main voluntarily-vaccine-denying nation, the USA, has the worst covid death numbers on the planet. Ranked 222 out of 238 for death rate. That one rates a BUSTED, for sure, on the numbers.
Got more? Discuss.
Sure I got more. The reason my ancestors took care of sheep was to keep perverts like you from molesting them. The biggest reason why the troops under Washington were vaccinated was to keep them safe from the clap. Many of the Covid deaths were caused by the vaccine. It’s interesting that the people who refused the vaccine normally survived. My take was that I’m not dying until it’s my time to go.
And the end: yea!!!
On the Cuomo offenses. In March 2020, Cuomo required nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients discharged from hospitals to free up hospital beds. This policy contributed to thousands of deaths. NYS AG Letitia James in January 2021 found that the Cuomo administration had undercounted nursing home deaths by as much as 50%. A subsequent state audit confirmed the Department of Health “misled the public”. Cuomo has admitted to a “delay” in reporting but denied an intentional cover-up.
In summary, while civil lawsuits have been dismissed and no one has been convicted of criminal charges related to the deaths themselves, investigations into potential misconduct, cover-ups, and lying to Congress have continued, with a new federal criminal probe opening in 2025.
In NJ, we had a similar outcome at nursing homes, but did not undercount. In 2022, over 100 families were awarded 53M in a civil suit that MAY become a model for other states. So far, over 1,100 cases lodged. NY has an immunity law, like Trump’s, to shield them. Illinois too. Tennessee found negligence but that did not specifically cause the death — covid did. Federal Regulators fined nursing homes millions for noncompliance. DOGE fired the regulators. And an executive in Florida paid $250K for vaccine fraud, but forget about it Jake, it’s Florida-town….
IMO, pretty obvious it happened, but based on what we knew, what Trump was telling us, pretty hard to prove negligence in the actions, especially with special immunities like Trump has. They fixed it pretty fast once the first wave damage was done. Also allowed other states to avoid.
One thing worth remembering. We had never seen this, we had always escaped or been covered by CDC actions, and covid hit like a ton of bricks. The Federal Government did not respond well, and the death tolls prove that. And we have so many deniers that taking precautions and taking medicine receives extreme push back.
Today, South Carolina has a measles outbreak with hundreds quarantined. It is accelerating. We had eradicated measles with a vaccine. SC could have avoided this and the vaccine only takes 2 to 3 weeks to be effective, often sooner. It stated in October meaning they could be immune by now IF they just got the vaccine. SC could have seen this coming, given other RED states already affected, for months and been immune in three weeks. That’s what vaccine denial gets you. I would love to say: reap what you sow, but the fact remains these people spread their joy to others in other states. And the beat goes on.
BOTTOM LINE: Vaccines are some of the safest products on the planet.
Vaccine testing is some of the most strongest of any products.
Vaccine history is replete with success at saving billions, with far less risk from the vaccine than the disease. There is little evidence of massive vaccine errors or issues. Every product, or service, has some risk. We made cars safer, we make vaccines safter. Everyday.
Vaccine deniers and fantastical claims and conspiracies have been with us since Washington ordered the first vaccine mandate. It’s not new to blame the vaccine for side effects. With the flu vaccine, people for years claimed it caused the flu. Turned out when feeling punky, they got the got and then the punky turned into flu. Guess what, they were infected BEFORE they got the vaccine.
Here’s some expert proof on all this:
First the CDC listing on vaccine scares and the results: *https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/historical-concerns/index.html*
NIH on the history of vaccines: *https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8903967/*
Stanford explains covid vaccine and myocarditis causes: *https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html*
The bottom bottom line: Both the virus and the vaccine can trigger myocarditis, but COVID-19 infection poses a greater risk of severe cardiac damage. Vaccine triggered myocarditis runs between 2-30 cases, mostly not severe, out of a million jabs. Covid triggered myocarditis is 7 to 40 times higher than with the vaccine. Vaccine-induced myocarditis is usually milder, but long-term monitoring with cardiac MRI is important for assessing potential fibrosis.
Our covid response was far worse than many, to use Trump’s description, shithole countries that we gave the vaccine to. We rank 222 out of 238 countries for death rate with no other cause than our response. Part of our weak response was being vaccinated or under vaccinated. And it continues. We have a multitude of measles outbreaks, a disease we previously ENDED. The 2024-25 flu season took 38,000 American lives, that’s a heavy year. In 2025, we have lost 20,000 to covid which is actually a great improvement and the last few months have been stellar IF RFK is not lying, a questionable guess. But these deaths are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated, or under-vaccinated. Covid was bad, might be getting better, but IMO, we should aggressively attack flu and covid via vaccinations. Instead, we seem to accept unnecessary flu death and now have double-down on death by not immunizing against covid. With the safety of vaccine, I cannot fathom why people would put others at the risk of death over a simple, safe, jab. Good enough for Washington should be good enough for us today. Science agrees.
Dunger littered the page with his repetitive diarrhea of vaccine safety and low risk against COVID risks – and as always has not offered a shred of evidence to prove it. His conviction is that if he litters the place with his crap, people will just run away because it will stink so bad – much like his liberal shitholes of LA and SF. I spared myself the time that would go into walking through his mess. But will be interesting if he actually can share one specific link of published research and is able to discuss the details of it. In the past he has always run away from such an invite because he is scientifically illiterate and relies on mainstream pharma-aligned platforms so at best he drops some link off a 2-second search result and runs away. Typical liberal illiterate idiot. No wonder New Jersey is legalizing the shrooms
Wee da WACO: Can’t respond eh. Guess I called it. Can’t respond. Can’t defend the BUST. WTPACO.
Links and sources provided in each passage above. You ask that I discuss details: uh, that’s what the passages do…. Got questions: ask. Got refutation: got for it. All you got is totally WTPACO.
One passage is almost solely dedicated to expert links; I tried to make it simple, it is a complex subject worth discussion. You should try that sometime instead of fact-less, feckless whiney rants. WIKI is source for Trump’s response failure.
Your turn: lets’ see you prove your conclusion of: “mainstream pharma-aligned platforms” and then note the ones I used in these passages, since they are WIKI, JAMA, CDC, NIH, a large COHORT study from France, and Standard Medicine which includes many more sources for their study. I think CDC and NIH are controlled by Trump, are they not? But let’s see you show the pharma connection for them and the others. Or I guess we will have the answer to “who’s the idiot now?”
You think my intent is to have people run away? Well, what are you doing? I am looking for discussion, would love some real pushback, but all you got is ad hominem attacks, name calling, and stupid even bringing up LA and SF which you appear to feel are “shitholes.”
You were BUSTED and you can’t support. And now you dismiss because you can’t discuss with a blow-off to all liberals and illiterate idiots. Again, the actual data would seem to indicate that you have your head firmly up your ass on that one. How’s the view in dungland?
NJ doing “shrooms?” Not that I know of. Theraputic perhaps, just like Colorado and Oregon, I guess two more “shit hole” states in your mind. Seems to are x-ing out a lot of territory and people with your feelings. Such as fuck can’t prove anything. Let’s see that list and proof of “mainstream pharma-aligned platforms.” Come on son, come back soon, you can prove it.
FYI: you were solidly BUSTED above. Didn’t come back on that either; that’s because you are WTPACO.
Don’t panic NJ’s mutant Dung-er, I’m here and ready to give you the same disgrace you have gone home with a few times before on these threads. I had the last word then and I’ll have the last word now. Take that to the bank – along with your sore defeated butt.
So your droppings – WIKI, JAMA, CDC, NIH, a large COHORT study from France, and Standard Medicine which includes many more sources for their study. – are not a source. To your ignorant and NJ’s dysfunctional mutant and irrelevant sticky ass, they may be. But not in real science. Since you never went to college, you don’t know that instructors in college would advise against using a Wiki link as source. You are also ignorant of the act that Wiki can be edited by anyone with a Google account though you seem to be familiar with the pro-pharma-vaccine bias that Wiki generously employs when citing so-called evidence in promoting vaccines and vaccination. SO you are BUSTED (in your retarded lingo) for ignorance AGAIN!
Now you have another chance. Pick a so-called study from any of your favorite rags like JAMA or any other corporate swamp like NIH, CDC, – even the self-proclaimed Standard Medicine. Pick a study and prepare yourself to discuss the merits and flaws of its methodology, data, conclusions, funding/conflict of interest, replicability, and other criteria for critique.
A little advice: step carefully as genetic retards like you are vulnerable to slipping, falling, and popping iodine-deficient bones in your body.
WeeTheDung says: “So your droppings – WIKI, JAMA, CDC, NIH, a large COHORT study from France, and Standard Medicine which includes many more sources for their study. – are not a source.” Funniest fucking thing I have seen in awhile. Of course, he has zero proof, zero evidence, just hot air, acrimony, with an ad hominem attack on top. The proof of a weak or nonexistent argument. He claims big pharma conspiracy everywhere he looks. Your response is a disgrace to the term response.
The bottom line is no matter what source I provide, you will spew that spew that you do, dismiss, and call names. But you do not disprove it except by lame condemnation. Everyone can see that.
And then you claim: “I had the last word then and I’ll have the last word now.” I can give you that, you had the last words. Feckless, meaningless, words of opinionated spew concluding I am wrong because you called me names. Brilliant!
To top it off, you claim I never went to college. A bold lie as I have few degrees earned before and on the job. That’s right, the company even sent me to school as a corporate benefit for an advanced degree. What kind of person lies through his teeth, and keyboard, like that? A person with a strong argument? A person confident in his words? Not bloody likely. But you lied, I went to undergrad as well as graduate colleges. BUSTED. I would show you the sheepskin, but just can’t trust you guys around sheep, especially given your butt comments above. Weird.
You are correct that WIKI is user-created and, as such, subject to people screwing around.
The “death rate by country” page has been there for years, has not changed in years, so IF you have a problem, take it up with them. You’ve had years to prove them wrong, or bias due to big pharma influence. If you can prove pharma collusion, let’s see it. The WIKI sources are listed, take them on. The US numbers are CDC, take them on. For the most part, the other numbers are from other countries, take them on. They are also sourced or confirmed by Our World in Date, take them on.
Both WIKI and OWD have exhaustive methodologies and sources listed: take them on. Let’s see that big pharm connection. Let’s see you tear apart there methodologies.
Show us the big pharma swamp at JAMA or any other corporate swamp like NIH, CDC.
Or show us conflicting data and sources.
I asked you to prove me wrong and instead, without evidence you claim it’s wrong. You got nothing.
The point was the US response sucked under Trump, you show us the numbers that prove that wrong as I have shown the numbers that prove it right, listed the sources, and all you got is spew.
Here’s yet another great piece by NIH that pinpoints our errors in the first year of Covid. It too lists all it’s data sources. Here’s the results that you will disbelieve, characterize as big-pharma data, whatever. It confirms and explains why our numbers, shown in WIKI, sucked, under Trump’s response. *https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8060542/*
1. Initial containment measures (shutting borders, locking down) were delayed and were not mandated nationally.
2. Testing got off to a slow start, never reached consistent sufficient capacity, and testing times remained too long, thereby impeding contact tracing
3. Initial physical and human resources were insufficient for a pandemic response and there were challenges building them up. .
4 National leadership abdicated, and leadership fell to the states.
5. Some states may have reopened too early and quickly.
6. Noncompliance with mandates/guidelines may also have contributed to all three surges.
7. Lack of entitlements to care may have affected access to testing, treatment and outcomes.
8. The Trump Administration marginalized public health and scientific leaders, and contradicted and interfered with scientific guidelines and advice.
9. The healthcare workforce was not protected.
10. Containment measures were politicized, and behavior had a partisan basis.
Remember, NIH reported to Trump from 2017-2020 and reports to Trump today. The report stands. Now you can claim your pharma conspiracy, but you have yet to provide any data, sources, experts, even a fucking anecdote, that proves a different narrative.
Your response that I am wrong, the sources are corrupt, is your opinion. You offered no factual support, no evidence, and not a clue as to the validity of any of your said opinions on this subject. IOW —- YOU GOT NOTHING except vitriol and accusations.
Let me ask this: are you listening and following the RFK recommendations? Is that the way your roll? “A little advice: step carefully as genetic retards like you are vulnerable to slipping, falling, and popping iodine-deficient bones in your body.”
Oh dunger, poor retard. We were hardly getting to the debate table and you already shit your pants! Running away by dropping behind your shit-stained pants. ROFL.
Wiki page left unedited is still not a source. Just shows nobody gives a damn about it, like a pile of dirt in Somalia – untouched – until a libtard brings it to the Minneapolis to create a plague. So there goes your little Wiki bluff!
“Take it to them. Take it to them.” The proud representative of a family of retards from NJ can’t defend the sources he cites so he screams “talk to them, I can’t…” lols. You really haven’t read what you dropped here, have you? Oh wait, you can’t read! Lols. Damn, I forgot I am asking YOU to start analysis of a study. But you ran away in panic. Feeling safe yet?
US response sucked under Trump? A desperate shift from science to politics. But in your case it’s the same – uninformed opinion by a genetically deficient and retarded cur. Lols.
The 10 points from a useless opinion piece published in “Health Economics Policy and Law” is not science. And it is not a science journal. Economic policy and law – it’s too much to ask an illiterate like you to understand what it means. But maybe you can seek help from someone outside your genetically deformed immediate circle.
Reminder – the original topic is vaccine deaths and safety and the opinion piece that you call “report” (it’s okay, we know you are an idiot) is as useless in this thread as you are on this planet.
Yeah it’s my opinion and I value it more than your copy-paste job of link droppings without reading understanding or ability to discuss them – so yours is even less than an opinion. It’s a mess just like your sorry self.
RFK and other babbling you littered the place with are all irrelevant and just more anxious attempts of yours to drag your deranged ass out of the debate. Wanna talk science yet?
Now go and figure out what’s wrong with you. Test and retest your DNA – short for Dunger Not Aware – and take it to Fauci to figure out what’s wrong with you. Post your results here. Spolier – you may find out that you are actually a Dungcake. Lols
Wee The Dung Heap: I give you credit, you read the piece, you read the report. Plus, I did not see it is published, not produced by NIH. Too bad you stopped there. And, for the life of me, I cannot understand why you must be such a dickface about it versus having a gentleman’s discourse on the issue. You show your stripes, you lose before you start, because all you got is an attack on the man, not the issues.
SHOW us the numbers that prove WIKI, and the world, wrong. Telling me to prove them right after I did is insane. Just bait to get me to do your work. I have proven my point, you have not disproven, shown alternative facts, sources, experts, just a rant against my entire family now.
You interestingly, and strangely enough, you conclude that “And it is not a science journal. Economic policy and law – it’s too much to ask an illiterate like you to understand what it mean.” It’s Health Economics, Policy, and Law. Last I checked, Health and/or Economics is a science. The article has been peer-reviewed for accuracy. It has been cited across the globe many times. What’s in your wallet?
The four author’s affiliations:
School of Medicine, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA, USA
Department of Health Management and Informatics, University of Central Florida, Orange County, FL, USA (two authors)
College of Pharmacy & Health Sciences, Campbell University, Buies Creek, NC, USA
Now I admit Florida is not scientific, and I see the word “Pharmacy,” but I also see “Sciences, Medicine, and Informatics,” not exactly politics, although there may be a Political Science major amongst them or the HEPL board.
Did you just diss my entire family as “retards?” Beyond picking on an entire class of people, wrong: BUSTED. Proven not true. We all went to college, 50% have advanced degrees, a doctorate, a lawyer (immigration no less), teachers and more.
Somalia? Minneapolis? WIKI? And you blame me for a tangent?
When will you bring facts, figures, experts, sources, etc. to prove your point.
You state: “Wiki page left unedited is still not a source” which may be true, may not, depends on the page, the data, the sources, but in this case, as is the case with most of your spew: totally irrelevant. The page was edited, updated, every day, until the middle of 2023 when much of the data was locked, and not updated by host countries. IF I was either Trump or Biden, and our number is wrong, I would change it for PR if nothing else. Sure looks awful. Sucks.
Let’s say that WIKI based on CDC, Our World in Data, John Hopkins is all wrong and your OPINION, not facts, is right. Guess what, if we magically move our 222 out of 238 country ranking, to 100 out of 238 countries, a 50% improvement, we and the Trump response still suck. It was that bad, that apparent, but you just can’t see it for the fog of war against liberals which, frankly, has NOTHING to do with the numbers. Not like this. FYI: being at 100 puts us in the neighborhood of Botswana, Turkey, and Guatemala, great neighborhood, best schools no doubt.
Again, you have proved nothing disproved less, and your claim to fame is that you dislike me and now, my entire family. You don’t trust WIKI, even a page there for over three years, edited daily for years, open to edits from all. The WIKI data is from CDC, Our World of Data, with methodologies, shortcomings, etc. all spelled out in plain English, and you don’t trust any of them either. Instead of proving your opinion with facts, sources, experts, anything, you instead demand that I do your work for you. And IF I don’t do your work for you, I am wrong, CDC, Our World of Data, John Hopkins, yada yada yada, are all wrong too because I did not show you they are right. But I did, it’s all on the WIKI page.
Can you do better than hot air and the request for me to do your work? I listed the sources. I listed their sources. I directed you to all the methodologies, authors, and more, and yet your response is basically, “I don’t like your data so you are wrong, and I am right, but I wont tell you what that means.”
And yet, you are one of the best debaters here. Go figure. Low bar. If you could just avoid the rant and ad hominem spew.
Dunger is a sniveling coward. He’s not Ma enough to debate
Panic all over the Dung-Munching NJ mutant! Calling an opinion piece “report” over and over, trembling in his wet pants bought with welfare money. And saying he is being attacked instead of the issue. Lols. Who’s gonna tell that retard that he IS the issue here?
The retarded Dung-Cake mutant then tries to cover his shit by the “Health Economics” word salad – reminds you of that cackling DEI bimbo Kamala. Oh yeah, Economics is science. Just like Political Science is science. So any economist can judge in an economics journal what the vaccine safety and efficacy is like. Oh wait? That was the original question. The genetically determined retard named Dunger is breaking wind over an opinion piece about Trump and covid policies – even before the shots were made available. Lols.
Dunger sees words “pharmacy’ “informatics,” “medicine”, and “science.” To his level (despite his claims of going to college – yet not knowing wiki isn’t accepted as a credible source in college essays, let alone when citing high-level research), these are big words. And he just starts drooling that he found what he needed to show what in his retarded universe is proof/evidence. Imagine how low the standards of education have dropped in this country?
Then Dunger does the only thing he is capable of doing – mumble, rant, drop some names of swamp-aligned parasitic institutions, make no sense, and declare that he has proven it. Lols. Uh, proven what again?
Sources? Methodologies? Authors? LOLS. Dunger drinks from his toilets, muck like his family tradition – likely happens when your birthplace is an outhouse somewhere in rural NJ, away from civilization. No wonder they have Cory Booker – aka Farticus – as their Senate clown.
So there you are Dungie, exposed in all your stupidity and genetic retardation. Blame your mom and dad for not taking a DNA test before deciding to do it. Even if they knew the deformity that was going to be spewed out of them, I doubt they would care. Lack of care is why you are here and that is your best introduction to the world.
Wanna try again to show your intelligence and prove anything about vaccines?
Wee B Dung claims: “Panic all over the Dung-Munching NJ mutant! Calling an opinion piece “report” over and over, trembling in his wet pants bought with welfare money” at after 1am Eastern…..boldly claiming: “Who’s gonna tell that retard that he IS the issue here?” I know it’s after his beddy-bi, but Dude, you just did….. And what’s up with your hate for NJ? Is your State of Confusion any better?
He then blames my writing style, compares me to his false idol, Kamala, and moves on to decry the resumes of the writers of the peer-reviewed piece cited across the globe.
“Wanna try again to show your intelligence and prove anything about vaccines?” I did, and this is your comeback.
The guy has master-debater written all over him, NOT. Perhaps at 1am he is indeed using this swill to excite himself as the masterdebater he really is.
I showed the facts, this is your response. Never on the facts. And really only on the me that’s apparently all consuming. Yech.
The information on vaccine safety is noted above, efficacy was not broached, was not really part of the article. Sources, links, statistics, experts, its all there. You have said it all sucks, and nothing more in the way of proof, evidence, sources, statistics, links, just I’m wrong because you think I am … for the sake of brevity, it’s a long list he’s concocted.
No evidence again as shown many, many, times before. If he goes for the last word, again it will be more of the same blame game this name has to his fame: WeeeBeDung. My evidence and proof of covid vaccine efficacy, safety, as well as that for all vaccines in history, starting with the George Washington mandate ( and no, WTP, that’s not what you do on Friday nights) is as presented above. WTP does not like it, says it’s wrong, hates me, hates my family, hates NJ, but proves absolutely nothing except he is capable, but chooses the path of ad hominem attacks instead as his proof. Whey you got nothing on the argument, attack the man is his way.
“An ad hominem argument (Latin for “to the person”) is a type of logical fallacy where someone attempts to discredit an opponent’s argument by launching a personal attack on the person’s character, motive, or other irrelevant attribute, instead of addressing the actual argument itself.”
“An ad hominem attack against an intellectual, not against an idea, is highly flattering. It indicates that the person does not have anything intelligent to say about your message”.
When I was vaccinated and complained about those not immunized, they said I was bitter. Now that I’m 100% covid free still and I complain about the US response, they say I’m a hypocrite and WTP says worse. I’m beginning to think they just don’t want to talk about the fact the US ranks 222 out of 238 for covid death rate and IF we had just made it to 100, we would have saved 200,000 American souls. Imagine if we were in the top 10 or 20, how many of the 1.2 million DEAD would be alive. (FYI WTP: CDC number stands at 1.3M DEAD, but I used the one dated to the WIKI page when frozen as noted on the page; I know RFK big pharma leftist unscientific slave born in leftist cesspool crime capital city of DC…) They never offer any counter data beyond the personal attack.