Trump vs Kamala Debate – Hmmmm…
Tonight we saw the first and quite probably the last debate between former President Donald Trump and current Vice President Kamala Harris. The venue was the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia with ABC moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis.
None of the actual issues were new, no need to speak about them. I’m approaching this from the standpoint of who will benefit from this, the optics, the impressions and the influence.
Of certain things, I am absolutely positive.
1. Kamala Harris knew the questions specifically before the debate. Why do I say this? Her answers were tailored to specific formations of the questions, she had ready made speeches that had clearly been rehearsed. And they were well executed. Could she have just prepared very well? No, it was too specific. Did Trump have the questions? No, he appeared to be blindsided a bit.
2. The moderators purposely shifted the debate to Harris. It was interesting that the moderators argued and “fact checked” Trump, but NEVER Kamala Harris (whose lies were obvious). In one instance, Davis told Trump (rather nastily) that no state allowed the killing of babies after they were born – which of course was not Trump’s point at all. Muir made it a point to say that Donald Trump “falsely” claimed that the 2020 election was rigged. Muir argued back and forth with Trump about January 6th (was he attempting to show that Trump was argumentative?) They did none of this with Harris, and Harris got some real softball questions. In fact, they asked Trump about Harris’ black heritage, which set up Harris very nicely to accuse Trump of racism.
This was not a one on one debate, it was three on one. But, of course, that does not matter in terms of influence – most people who are undecided will not really notice the bias, they will just be influenced.
I have to grudgingly admit that Kamala was well prepared (easier when you have the questions in advance). She inserted almost every Democrat fake accusation of Trump in the midst of her arguments and was able to draw Trump into defending himself for much of the debate. Also, her body language when she was not speaking was well crafted, laughing and rolling eyes, etc. It was effective. She managed to accuse Trump of lying while lying constantly.
Trump on the other hand attempted to stick to policy, at times his posture was bad. He attempted to say too much, to make too many points within the time limits. I thought he should have focused more on the incompetence of the current administration, but clearly this was not the plan. And yes, as CNN put it, Trump was “triggered” several times. He was not able to make clear the folly of Kamala’s policies as spoken (but did manage to note the absence of policy).
However, Trump hit his points over and over. He was funny, he was specific in his charges and he emphasized why his administration was better.
I believe that Trump won the very first part of the debate and the closing statement. I believe Kamala Harris’ emotional speeches were effective in reaching young women, but likely turned off men after a while – she did this constantly throughout the debate and after a while it was easy to see through.
My conclusion is that this is a huge win for Kamala Harris – not because it will sway the voters, but because it wasn’t the disaster that was anticipated. I do not believe she won a lot of votes with this performance, certainly not from Trump supporters. But it will not cause the free fall that Biden experienced based on this performance.
All I want to know is how do you want your dog cooked Joe………
Yeah, tell us all the excuses why Don sounded like the rambling man.
Being positive that Harris got the questions because she answered the questions well is your belief based on the fact your old man answered them as if he didn’t expect the obvious. The reality is that the reality is the questions were obvious questions of the day. Too obvious actually. Yes, they were softballs and he whiffed on most. And the fact she answered the obvious means she cheated, if that’s the best you can do to defend this old man who looks and acts over the hill, you have admitted defeat before the vote.
The fact that Don looked blindsided is on Trump. He is blindsided. An angry, rambling, glowering, hunched, squinty-eyed mad, old man.
Trump was funny? You just have to clue the clueless into the joke, any joke. He talked eating dogs, buildings being taken over by illegals, and he certainly said they are killing live babies.
He now needs a second debate; the polls will move her way after this. It’s time for Republicans to think about what they have allowed and pray for an October surprise. He even blew the one physical moment, the handshake that she took to him, in his space, ruining his chance to glower in her space. His best moment was when Trump told voters what they thought about Roe v Wade with Democrats and Republicans agreeing with Trump’s decision. I am pretty sure that locked some undecided.
Then there was the crowd size piece that completely flummoxed the man. I am sure we will see the Harris ads soon with bored people, empty chairs, and people leaving. Talk about a softball offered by the brandmaster general. She consistently offered the bait that he said: “please Kamala, can I have more.”
Bottom line: she changed some minds, we know her better now, and he retained his base, like Joe. The momentum continues.
As to unfair, one sided, and fake —– the old man was unprepared and rambling. Abdul is a high ranking leader but not the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan or anywhere…… And if you believe Don, as promised, will stop the Ukraine war before he enters office, they should cancel their ObamaCare insurance today.
Yes, he got nailed for lying. Tell us the Harris lies she should have been called on. Show us the money. Toe the line and spell out the lies.
Her closing was about the future. His was about her not getting it done today. Ask yourself why he didn’t get it done last time and why would it be different for him this time? She was about the country, he was about what HE did for the country.
The delusion continues….what did you learn about Harris other than she is overly emotional, inexperienced on all levels of running a business, much less a country, a liar who will stoop at nothing including denying all her desired ultra left, Maoist policies, she will over tax the people to pay for the current Trump tax reduction bills she will allow to lapse, the billions in “free” money she wants to hand out to select groups, is capable of only memorized fake headlines/ lies and fake platitudes. She will continue and even will accelerate the destruction of this country the deep state puppetry has begun through Obama and Biden. I pray to God these people are not enabled by those who do not educate themselves about the real Harris/Walz traitors to this country!
If you’re constantly being attacked, and having to defend yourself while in office against Several attacks, sometimes on a DAILY basis, while your opposition tears up your speeches, opposes everything you do and acts as though you BEING in office is Offensive, it’s hard to get ANYTHING done. You missed that part, or Ignored it. you Trash talk about Harris getting advance knowledge, yet IGNORE the Obvious Bias of ONLY fact checking President Trump. All in all, i see just another liberal sycophant trying to belittle a man who was a REAL president, despite obstructionism by, OF ALL People, someone like Nancy Pelosi, an Obvious self-interested politician who enriched herself off AMERICAN Taxpayers and insider trading to the DETRIMENT of the Nation. Somehow, your bias is not either “Reasoned” nor is it Justified.
SSG: I agree that Democrats are taking this dog eating thing too far. What about the cats? How do you cook cat? Feline filets? Gives “grab em by the pussy” an entire new meaning.
Are you talking about Biden and his family that Comer and Jordan have chased for more than four years because he got all sorts of stuff done. Inflation down, market up, border crossings down, wages up, unemployment down, jobs up…..
Bill Clinton did it too, and there you chased a blow job for four years or more.
They only fact checked the big lies and Trump told some big lies. Like over 33 so far by the fact checkers.
Harris got a half dozen “not fully true” lies, sounds like lies of spin.
Joe Gilbertson knows of a bunch of Harris lies, but he has not divulged them yet.
So, sorry your strong man gets picked on and can’t stand the heat. That’s why Putin, Kim, and others fake flatter him to get what they want.
Sorry he’s married to a woman who was raised as a communist party member and he’s got her old man, the communist party member living in his cabana right next to alllll those documents. You guys told us: communists are losers even if they’re hot.
Sorry, he’s old, missing a step, muttering, drifting off topic, the oldest candidate for President ever. But his hair was marvelous. Getting blonder all the time.
Gotta love the next day at the 9/11 NYC commemorative where Trump and his VP nominee, Minnie Me, were clones in their little blue suits, white supremacist shits with mid-life crisis red ties. Very neat and tidy. So cute. So gay. So 1950’s over.
Great response! DJT was sliced and diced by a woman minority which I enjoyed watching after all of his misogynist comments about her! I thought she missed a few opportunities to call out more of his lies but I guess she had to pick and choose because of the time element. The worst lie was his lie about abortion and Roe v Wade. There, he was lying about abortion, lying about what people wanted, and looking straight at 70% of us and lying about how we felt about it. What a schmuck! I thought her closing was good but for me was a little weak. I would have used 25% of it to call him a liar (with examples) again. She should give him a name just like Trump gives everyone names that he does not like. I would suggest Mr. Alternate Reality. “There you go again Mr. Alternate Reality!” LOL
He thinks he had a great debate and won. True it might have been his best debate, but that is a scale that is relative to him. Fact is, she sliced and diced him. He took the bait every time. It is now plainly obvious, even to MAGA, that they are backing a loser.
Yes, I agree there are many missed opportunities, and so many lies.
I would’ve gone heavy and full more into his Covid response where on a per capita basis of the USA ended up being number 222 out of 238 countries.
It’s a very simple math exercise to say how many lives could’ve been saved if we had been number 200 out of 238, or maybe 150, or maybe even 100. Can you imagine that, Literally half the lives we lost would’ve been unnecessary. If our response could’ve been 100 out of 238 countries. The Trump response.
Anytime, I hear how fast the Covid vaccine was available, I think of those numbers. It’s simple math based on the fact that is as plain as the nose on your face. Our per capita death due to Covid sucked. And it was based on the Trump response.
Yes I agree Frank. News fact checkers say he told more than 33 blantant lies. Harris’es fact check ended up about 4 to 5 not fully true answers. I remember one was when she said $4000 dollars average hike in a family’s expenses due to tariffs. The number I had heard was $3000. The economists say anywhere from $1800 to 3600. So it was not that big of a mistake but nevertheless it was a mistake.
Yeah she could have hammered him hard on covid response!! I thought she should have given him a name in the beginning like “Delusion Don” or “Mr Alternate Reality” And use Reagan’s “There you go again…..” line to point out each lie and spend 25 seconds of 120 seconds telling the lie and what the REALITY actually was! Then spend 135 seconds explaining her policy and thought process on the topic!
Also, as JSB pointed out, Trump bullied his way into nine extra minutes. I was complaining about it but no response. Nice thing is that most of those nine minutes he showed the confused ass he really is. But the network only called him on it once and shut him down. He got a way with it several times! Good thing is that he used the extra time to further destroy himself. Hard to say the network was biased when they gave him nine extra minutes!!!
You think he was lying because you have been told he was lying and that is the Democrat system of double think. He did not lie.
So you don’t believe that people eat dogs? They do.
Yes, Trump was hilarious at times.
No the polls will not move her way.
Harris lied constantly and was never called on it. Imagine that…
At Trump pointed out, Harris was incompetent in the past, she will continue to be incompetent in the future.
Enough of the bullshit Joe (or Larry, or whoever is writing this…) The fact checks by the moderators were only done on the statements that were so incredibly stupid, that even the dumbest person listening knew they were lies (I shouldn’t say that, as there is at least one person who watched the debate and believes them…) DJT got the special treatment in the debate that he gets from all the news agencies all the time. He can stand up in his so-called rallies and ramble on like the blithering idiot that he is, and the media rarely calls him out for it. Only the most blatant lies (yes, it is a lie per the government officials in Springfield that immigrants are eating dogs-despite what idiots like you want to believe), and yes it is a lie that a woman can give birth at 9 months and a doctor will decide to kill the baby. Anyone who believes such trash that came out of Trump”s orifice is literally an “imbecile”. And what about all the extra speaking time Trump got? Had I been the moderator when he started to ramble on after being told that his time was up-he would have had his microphone muted.. You really need to stfu while you still have a little bit of credibility-Trump showed who he was last night, he showed that he is the exact person who so many people that worked for him describe him as-incompetent….
Joe, wake up and smell the coffee. Trump hilarious? The polls have moved her way with the debate bump, as has the funding.
You have yet to show us those Harris lies, there’s three stretching-the-truths online, but no lies. Show us the money……
Trump lies: *https://news.yahoo.com/news/trump-debate-lies-went-unchecked-220252164.html*
You have to conclude she crushed him, and if she’s incompetent, where does that put him?
No Joe, she beat him hands down, he just looked old, angry, and out of place. Had to go to the spin room for more time, more grievances, more whining about this and that, it’s sad. He demurred on more debates, he’s had enough.
He’s always bounced back, there’s room for an October surprise, but right now the winds at her back and he’s sucking for air. I don’t think a pivot or acting Presidential will help him. He appears to be going into backup mode, in his bunker, surrounding by his faithful sycophants feeding his frenzy, even Greene says too extreme. Frankly, if he continues on his path, he will hold his core but not much more. And, be serious, once in the booth, no one knows who you vote for.
Either he changes course OR he continues to descend into his own personal darkness which, unfortunately, breathes hatred in the hearts of his followers. Some times, that hatred is shared with perceived enemies like the defenders of the Capitol. Today, it’s Springfield.
She has three times his cash or more. She’s investing 25% into the PA race; that’s his entire bankroll and he still needs to pay the lawyers. I am not sure his supporters have more cash to give to this guy. What I said when he entered, if the money runs out, he is gone from politics. That’s the big one, the money machine. He is leveraged to the hilt, his loan is with a strange FL investor group at what has to be exorbitant rates given the nature of the “save” he got, and if the cash flow falls, that will be a top priority. Just not sure how much more he can milk his base. The big guys are probably already pulling back.
No Joe, sans an October surprise, your post debate news is all bad. And now the legal Haitians in Springfield are under bomb threats over his lies as the right wing army descends on the town to make trouble. Once again, like the Capitol, Trump has unleashed the dogs of war, over his lies. For a few days already, they have closed city hall, a number of schools, and people are afraid to leave their homes. In America. There have been neo-nazi marches and strangers are descending on the town, hopefully will leave before more trouble ensues. Lies matter.
He is old, he is tired, and we know his game now. Perhaps an October surprise, but seems to me you are entering “hail Mary” territory and, so far, he has only made it worse. No Joe, smell the coffee. The momentum is going her way and he looks to be circling the bowl.
Even if what you say about Trump and the debate is true, he is STILL the better prospect for President. Harris didn’t really tell us anything about what she will do. She never does. If I wanted to live under a socialist government I would go to Venezuela. And ask her why she and Biden haven’t gotten anything done except run up the deficit.
BWH: although never enough detail, Harris ran circles around Trump when is came to discussing policy choices. No, I do not agree with all of hers, some like tax-less tips are pandering, she provided ten times the detail from Don.
Deficit? Malarky. Trump ran the highest deficit in the history of America adding more debt that any other President. Biden lowered the rate of increase for 3 years, this year does not look as good. Even without the pandemic, which was on Trump’s watch, but Biden face it too and Biden STILL brought the Trump record deficits down. One reason Trump was so bad was his lie over the tax cuts. He planned to cut no costs. He planned to bring in tax dollars via gdp growth of over 4%; Trump himself pledged over 6% — easy, no problem. He brought in 2.3% gdp growth, equivalent to Obama’s economy without the tax cuts. So, do the math — you take a giant cut in tax revenues, you do not cut costs correspondingly, you even grow them for the military-industrial complex as you tout “no new wars” and spend like you are in a war. Then you don’t get the gdp growth tax dollars —- do the math — do you expect a favorable outcome when you miss the cash gdp growth targets and shrink the economy? No new bridges like Biden built either. The Trump economy was tax-cut-and-spend policies followed by printing free money like no other American President ever did, and I hope will never do again.
You live under the same “socialist government” today that you would with Harris that you did with Clinton, Obama, and the rest. Enjoy your new home in VZ.
IF you go to the library, socialist. Drive on a highway, socialist. Honor the armed forces – socialist. Take social security, medicare, unemployment —- socialist. America has had socialist programs since inception; Ben Franklin is a socialist with your definition as well as many other founders. Hello Venezuela, but you will not go there. You’re just chest thumping. FYI: I looked, you can go, but getting your assets across the border is much tougher so plan to travel light…… No, baby, you are stuck with us, we are stuck with you, let’s work together to make it better for each of us. We may not like it all, but working together, we can like it enough. Still the best place in the world.
Stick your lies strait up your A$$!!!
it’s nice to dream about the future
but you need to secure the present to reach for the future,
and for abortions give it a break, one minute you want babies and then you don’t for stop child porn and trafficing,
and 6000 dollars to baby born is a insult, to buy a car seat, well how many don’t own cars, and car seats for the ones who have a car will need to buy another as the child grows, and then what about diapers, and baby food, which has poisons in the juices,
and about the country where are you going to put ALL these houses, for your destroying the country building everywhere, destroying wildlife, killing of animals which the earth needs to survive,
and who is going to feed all these people, oh forgot gates chemical factory food, or maybe SOYLENT GREEN
and as for the past you need to read and learn from their mistakes so you can avoid it in the FUTURE, or HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
Trump showed up as the aggressive, bombastic, New York real estate developer that we all know so well.
Kamala doesn’t have an honest bone in her body, and was given a free pass by the typically biased left wing press that we also know so well.
If the nitwits that have not yet noticed the complete lack of substance on her part ever wake up, and think about it, they might figure out that she and Walz are as devious, dishonest, and inept as Trump has declared.
Didn’t bother to watch because what I thought would happen, happened. I still remember 2016 when the so-called moderators continually blasted Trump for no valid reason only because they were completely biased against him. A similar situation existed during this farce. We know Harris is far from the brightest nor intelligent person around. She apparently knew what was going to be asked so she could prepare .
It would more interesting if the debate was sponsored by a neutral source, not ABC, and the moderators were not liberal pinheads but real moderators!!
As an Independent, I did not find the debate biased. They were both asked hard questions. Trump was not prepared, nor is he the great man you think he is. He was stupid. Trump was his biggest enemy as he fell into each bait that she threw out and chased it down the rabbit hole each time, rambling nonsense all of the way. She started chuckling about it! So was I. He is so EASILY MANIPULATED which is not something you want from a POTUS. And 800,000 Pennsylvanian Polish people will not forget how he threw Poland under the bus!!
No it was not biased that caused Trump’s big failure. It was Trump. This was a David slaying Goliath moment. Now face up to it!!!
I vote for a new debate. One with Donald Trump with the other being Frank Stetson.
That would be really good! Hahaha!
Why was Kamala not asked why she has been Lying to the American public the
last 3 years about Joe Biden’s declining health?
Why was she NOT asked what she thought of the border as she has not been there?
Then they ask Trump about J6 only so she can say we need to move forward and think about the future!
Why was she Not asked what major accomplishment she made the last 3 years contributing
to the benefit of the American people?
She looked like a Disney ride to me. Hall of loosers!
She wasn’t asked that because it’s not true. Biden isn’t declining in health. Yes, he’s getting older, but his health (both physical and mental) is fine. They asked Felon Trump about Jan 6th because he tried to take over the government in a coup. That’s kind of relevant to a candidate for the Presidency. They also pressed him on his statements that he lost to Biden “by a little bit”. Of course, he lied and denied making those statements, when they can “roll the tapes” and prove it.
They also let Felon Trump break the rules to get extra time. He bullied his way to an extra 9 minutes or so, to his own detriment. His handlers argued to keep his mic shut off when it wasn’t his turn for a reason: when he talks, he’s stupid.
All that you said was true! I also was concerned about how he bullied his time into nine minutes more and was not called out on it or stopped – yet others are calling ABC biased!!! I was wondering why they did not shut off his mic since that was supposed to be the format. And you are right, he used that extra time to look more stupid.
You are kidding right? You think Biden has all his marbles? Then why was Biden, the democratically elected Democrat candidate forced out by unelected officials of the Democrat Party?
It’s pretty rich that you are indicating that you don’t think Biden had all his marbles-given who you support for president. Trump has never had ‘all his marbles’, and yet somehow, enough people voted for him in a few crucial states that he became president-once. I make no bones that I find idiots like yourself contemptible-after a disastrous debate performance by your guy, instead of realizing that he is just plain stupid and spent no time preparing, you instead attempt to smear Kamala with the bullshit with the statement she obviously had the questions ahead of time. Since she prepared for several days, and is an intelligent person, she probably had a good idea what type of questions might be asked, and worked on her responses. Such statements from you (plus saying that the legal Haitian immigrants in Ohio are eating people’s pets) merely show you to be ignoramus that you truly are, and worthy of contempt from anyone with an IQ above room temperature….
You can Hmmmm all you want. Face it – Felon Trump had his ass handed to him. None of those questions were out of the ordinary, and were easy to prepare for. Harris prepared, Felon Trump relied on his “greatest hits” – all the lies and conspiracy theories that he repeats at his zombie cult Kool-aid sessions.
Your two bold-face paragraphs are just grasping at straws… And the rest of the world disagrees with you – it was a solid 65/35 win for Harris.
I agree!! Trump got handed his very own ass sandwich!!! And its in the record books now!! Independents who are still undecided can now see the bumbling fool he is. I bet he regrets hammering Biden out of the race!!! It’s been all bad for him since.
Joe Gilbertson, Harris is a former long time prosecutor and debate champion. She knows how to handle a debate and how to win. She is fast on her feet. She is aggressive. She believes in hard work preparing for a fight. Your idea that she had prior knowledge of the questions is totally false. I thought she could have hammered him worse!
Yes, I guess the best way to win a debate is to have the moderators on your side and know the questions up front.
The moderators went easy on Felon Trump – they let him talk out of turn a few times and not once did they cut him off. He got an extra 9 minutes to talk, which turns out to be a bad thing for Felon Trump. The questions were all known questions – Harris studied and anticipated, Felon Trump didn’t. Debate Prep 101 – What are the topics? What questions will they ask? If it came up in either side’s stump speeches, it’s fair game, and that’s what the moderators stuck to.
The easiest way to prevent cognitive dissonance is to make excuses about the questions and the moderators. Face it, Felon Trump had his ass handed to him. He’s washed up. Even Karl Rove says so. He doesn’t give a shit about people, he only cares about winning the Presidency because he thinks it will get him out of going to jail,. He seems to think the conspiracy theories will bring him votes. Well, he’s got the MAGA idiot cult members locked up, but the rest of the country recognizes that he’s a crazy old narcissist, who apparently thinks parading his new girlfriend out in public will win him more votes. Dick Fucking Cheney will take a lot of Republican votes with him.
Kumala is a lying bitch. But with the Trump only fact checking he was found truthful. But the cunt don’t need to measure for curtains in the White House yet. There’s plenty of room to show people what a fucking communist that she is. And she didn’t win the debate
When our guy dogged the debate, we canned him and went to the bench. He willingly took one for the team, mentored his replacement, and transitioned all power to the next gene ration peacefully. He was getting and acting old.
When your guy eats dog in his debate, perhaps you can try same. He’s probably already thinking about his next deal, has mentored his replacements, can easily give up political power and has a great transition plan for your next generation, He is getting and acting old.
Hey, worked for us.
Well, dang, look at all the haters here that want to go to bed with Kamala. They are jealous of a man playing a woman and THAT is the truth! Either that or they are just plain gay! There is also one non-human here who does eat dogs! Pedo dogs!
I take it that you’re supporting Felon Trump? Does that mean you want to go to bed with him? Commit a felony in New York and you may get your chance!
J Bruder, no, but you want her a$$ or you wouldn’t have said that! Perhaps YOU are a felon? Do you have proof Trump IS a felon? Were YOU there at all of the stupidity slammed on Trump? Where are the documents? Where are the police reports? Did you help prosecute Trump? Were you in the Judge’s chambers? Were you in the courts to hear exactly what transpired? Did you see Trump commit any crimes? I think YOU belong behind bars, preferably at Camp Delta, permanently. Same goes for that Tom, Stetson, too. None of you can give real truth. All any of you have is your big fat mouths that show what low-life creatures from Hell you all are! No one is right according to all three of you. Only you have the proof and truth or so you say. Where is that proof your big fat mouths claim? All three of you are incredibly sick! All of you are haters except for you three that gang up on everyone else. Are all of you proud of yourselves? Just go back and re-read the sick rhetoric you all vomit out! Now there is proof!
Do I have proof that Trump is a felon? Yes! It’s a matter of public record, Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, reported on by media from both sides of the political spectrum. Seriously, it was in all the news. Did you not hear about that? Where do you get your news? I’m pretty sure it was at least mentioned by PBP, not to mention a thousand or so references.
You have proof that you’re a cockroach communist asshole
JW: I think we you lower yourself to 3rd grade school yard taunts of the white trash variety, you should at least make some sense. You stating that JSB has proof of your name calling is just weird.
Can we not disagree with each other and refrain from stooping to harmful
Name calling. It appears that all of you are well read and have thoroughly researched these facts, yet see the issue differently, which is fine. It is fascinating how grown adults (I assume) have nothing better to do than comment on comments that are not going to change ANYONE’S mind. If we want to make a difference maybe we should get off our phones and find a way to make our country a better place. This is certainly not that. And look at the date that the most hateful comments were made. Really? God bless America. I am going to hug my grandchildren and make sure they know they are loved. Maybe they will understand that we need to treat each other better.