Kennedy’s Own Organization Funding a Lawsuit against Him
When it comes to vaccine safety, the highest officials in public health yield before the pharmaceutical cabal. Even Trump’s Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who spent years warning against the health risks associated with vaccination, is dragging his feet on ensuring vaccine safety. Things have gotten so bad for him lately that the Children’s Health Defense (CHD), the health organization that he founded, is now funding a lawsuit against him.
In May, attorney Ray Flores filed a lawsuit against U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for failing to create a vaccine safety task force. As required by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, the HHS Secretary is required to set up a task force along with the commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the directors of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
But nearly 40 years later, this requirement remains to be met. No health secretary has bothered to create such a task force and present a report to Congress every two years. The Congress also hasn’t held the HHS accountable for this unfulfilled requirement over the decades. Since RFK Jr. has been idolized by conservatives as the man who would set things straight with timely and effective measures, he has brought disappointment and even anger to many of his supporters. The failure to create a task force has thus provided his critics with the opportunity to hold him accountable to the people.
What wasn’t immediately known about the lawsuit by Flores is its source of funding, which now has turned out to be CHD, founded by RFK Jr., who was a key part of it until he resigned in December 2024 to join Trump’s cabinet. When the news of the lawsuit’s funding broke, CHD confirmed it with a statement on X. The post includes a video statement from Flores, who wondered if this is the same Bobby Kennedy that they knew, adding, “Is he being held captive in the swamp?”
Wyoming Tribune Eagle reported (July 29) that RFK Jr. has asked for more time to respond to the lawsuit and Flores has agreed to allow him until August 15 to respond to it.
Since a lot of conservatives have been upset with RFK Jr. over his failure to pull the dangerous and useless mRNA COVID-19 vaccines from the market altogether, things got worse with the recent full approval of the Moderna mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. The approval, granted by the FDA on July 10, allows the vaccine to be administered to children as young as 6 months and up to the age of 11 years if these children are deemed at an increased risk for COVID-19. The language leaves the decision to the medical system, which has long lost credibility among millions of aware Americans. The FDA approval evoked a strong reaction from independent journalists and the general public.
But RFK Jr. isn’t taking the heat from just one side of the political divide. He left the Democrats pissed by firing all 17 members of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) in June. The fired members were pro-vaccine individuals serving the interest of the vaccine industry. RFK Jr. replaced them with new panelists of medical experts who have been educating the public about the damage vaccines inflict on health and wellness. Congressional Democrats have now announced a probe into Kennedy Jr’s firing of their favorite panel, leftist news site The Daily Beast reported (July 29):
Democrats on the Senate’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee have now launched an investigation into the firings and are pressing Kennedy for answers as he pushes his “Make America Healthy Again” (MAHA) agenda.
“pull the dangerous and useless mRNA COVID-19 vaccines from the market altogether, things got worse with the recent full approval of the Moderna mRNA vaccine for COVID-19.’
Lies like this from The Dumpster kill people. Joe, this is not free speech, this is bullshit that kills. You should pull it OR be prepared for a potential legal issue.
From NIH: “political party-affiliation has shaped response efforts to the COVID-19 pandemic.
•Red states had higher COVID-19 infection rates and deaths in 2021 compared to blue states.
•Red states implemented fewer political decisions to mitigate COVID-19 than blue states.
•Biological factors such as age and obesity predicted deaths only in red states.
•Vaccination rates predicted fewer deaths in blue states.”
On the other hand, The Dumpster has no proof and there evidence abounds as to the efficacy, safety, of these vaccines that have saved billions. The Dumpster harms people and only saves himself by making money off his LIES.
BUSTED for total ignorance.
Dunger you don’t make sense
I spell my fake name: danger.
You seem to love the dung.
Love it, live it, become it.
It was clear as daylight when Bobby caved publicly to pharma’s Shill Cassidy during his hearings. The fact that the 1986 Act, a stain of Reagan admin, wasn’t enforced when it came to the safeguards and accountability tells us everything about who owns this country. Too late to fix it, in my opinion.
WTP: since The Act was about compensation, what safeguards and accountability were you expecting?
Some say it reduced manufacturers liability but the fact is it’s an alternative and individuals are free to launch free-standing cases for any amount of liability they want.
The fact that they were required to report on vaccine safety means there had to be accountability by the government if the proper steps were not taken to ensure a vaccine was safe. The fact they thus escaped any public hearings in case they allowed something bad in the process/product means the public was also not informed on the details.
As for compensation and freedom to sue, that was a punch in the face of the public since the DOJ – the federal government – would defend the vaccine manufacturer/pharma company in the court against the claim. And I have read details of a few such cases. There is no fairness in them and the government literally becomes the bodyguard of its pharma master. The $4 plus billion the program has since paid to victims of vaccines is thus only a tiny fragment of the actual damage because most of the victims are not resourceful or strong enough to win against the government.
WTP: Sorry, long one, you got me thinking… Nice, thanks for the discussion and for bringing up The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP or NVICP) that was established by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA). Never knew that one and the more I look, the more I marvel at the genius of it. Representatives Henry Waxman (D) and Edward Madigan (R) were instrumental in drafting and advocating for the legislation for the House. In the Senate, Senator Orrin Hatch (R) marshalled it through. Reagan signed. Oh, those were the days, my friends, how did they ever end?
First, it appears we both agree that tort reform is a loser and that liability suits without bounds are enshrined in America’s psyche and legal system. That’s cool. I think our ability to “sue the bastard” and have juries sometimes send different messages via the reward keeps America great. Some comments on your comments, mostly for definition and clarity.
First, unbounded lawsuits can send a cultural and economic message to all. In the criminal world, the OJ verdict was a ludicrous piece of nullification and a shame to the concept of the rule of law. On the other hand, it sent the message that the LA police had been trampling the rights of people for years. So, OJ the individual gets a break, and OJ the concept of a black man facing LA police wins and the LA police get the message: you must fix this. So, egregious claims and crazy jury decisions can send messages that need to be sent: kind of cool process in that.
There’s two parts in this: the first product testing and approval for safety purposes. That process goes on and has little to do with this bill, the portion you focus on is the compensation portion of it. However, testing is separate and only the results are used in this process to easily specify known issues, with predetermined monetary outcomes from the second part, compensation for injuries.
What the compensation portion does is allow a more efficient and cost-effective way to compensate individuals injured by vaccines while helping to ensure a stable and affordable vaccine supply. You are right, it is a standard payout system like tort reform. You are right, the bill calls for pharma to list potential issues discovered, however, not for safety, but for ease of compensation.
Therefore, you get a list of potential injuries and a table payouts: ez peazy. You don’t need a lawyer, but one is still recommended. It’s a special master I think, again ez peazy.
But here’s some clarification: it is not tort reform, you can choose to use the process OR you can get a lawyer and roll your own for any amount you choose for covering costs, loss, pain and suffering. IOW — you still can sue.
And on this one, another genius part is the government is acting like an insurance company, collecting premiums from excise taxes on the vaccines. So, yes, you are suing the government, but it’s not court, it’s a special master. If you have a lawyer, and you file in good faith, they will cover the lawyer even if you lose. And pharma is not involved, they are covered by the excise tax, so providing data in good faith seems in their best interest. Seems very clever design.
So, let’s look at reality. Covid vaccines come out and they generally test clear with maybe one potential issue making us wait 15 minutes post shot to see if we keel over. BUT — over time, with usage, more things discovered, and they get listed so everyone can see them. Then, pharma is required, by this law, to disclose the list to patients taking the vaccine. Very transparent. Payment schedules are decided by committee, and there it is. There is no way anyone can perfectly test almost anything before rollout in this world. This provides a process to add new info over time, to allow victims to file and get paid quickly and no legal fees. One person here on PBP had a close relative that could apply for this, sadly. It’s real. The covid vaccine is very safe, but inside that, there is always a potential for adverse outcomes. A reasonable risk in this case. Also, if you don’t like the payout, think you deserve more, grab a lawyer and swing away. Sue the bastards. You can. To me, that’s tort reform I can live with. It’s also designed to keep the vaccines rolling and not have pharma get hinky about inventories due to litigation; or worse yet, not to develop new vaccines due to legal risk alone. They are basically taken out of the litigation process. And it’s designed to let you skip all that and sue normally, in court, if you so choose to roll the dice or feel your pain and suffering is more than the master would ever provide.
Another look at reality. A young danger, just out of school, returns to his home town and party’s hearty. Bombed he gets in his bombed neighbor’s new sports car as shot gun and off they go down twisty dirt roads in the rural outskirts of DC. Hitting a sharp bend, the neighbor goes straight, and long-story short — meets large tree, tree wins, concussion, arm is crushed to the point of severed mush of bone above the elbow. Is slightly disabled and will not ever be normal. Gets a lawyer, takes two years by law to reach payout date, no advance legal payment, lawyer gets 33% by law, but pads expenses to get a lot more. More pictures than Alice’s Restaurants. Two years. I was broke, could not work, at first, and no one to help. Gravy, rice, and bread was a comfort meal. Two years out, they call me down to their doctor where I myself with some genius drink a six pack in the parking lot, chew massive amounts of breadth mints, and I can say — the reflex test was really funny. It was my right arm. I am left-handed. We asked for way too much money. They paid in full and my lawyer, a premier DC ambulance chaser, was shocked they didn’t even attempt to deal down his over-the-top payment. I smiled, told him I has broke and he could tip his notary secretary (remember the expenses), and the nest egg became my beginning in investment. Worth $90K in today’s dollars, after the legal fees, but being Frank, without money, without work, I would have taken the fixed fee, no lawyers, pay me now if I could have. In a heartbeat. Two years was very, very tough in the beginning until I could work construction again six weeks of gravy and rice out.
You do not sure the government in court; you get a special master from the court to decide your fate based on “the list” and your submission. While the government was not in court on this, neither was the pharm, it’s a special master you fill out paperwork for. If the master determines you are “acting in good faith,” your legal bills covered, even if you don’t win. However, you are right that the fees are pretty much fixed and one might find them unfair. Part of the goals for this was to protect pharma not for buddy-buddy, or quid-pro-quo, but to make sure pharma kept making vaccines, and kept them in inventory which was sketchy in 1980’s.
Seems like a great alternative to a liability case. Especially since you don’t have to use it in which case you will meet the full force of pharma’s legal team. I suggest beer and Altoids. I gotta tell you, that was freaking funny. HOWEVER, and this is the big one — you never know the future nor what your injury make make happen later. Sure, I got the payout, it was my non-dominate arm, so who cares? Turns out it was a 15% disability, my arm is rotated some and sticks out a bit. Now, my body compensates, my other arm sticks out to match, so I don’t walk in circles. Instead, I walk looking a bit like Popeye’s swagger. I also suffer vertigo in hot showers, an inner ear issue caused by same accident and not discovered until after time period to sue was over. So, I still say —- sue for all you can because you can’t tell all the things in the future that you wish later you could sue for, or worse. You just don’t know.
So, there’s your accountability model, yes, pharma’s off the hook in this government insurance policy funded by vaccine excise taxes except for due diligence in reporting issues to government and patients alike. But payouts are easier and faster with less risk than entering court. Personally, I would not use it if I could avoid it, but that’s me. I would have used it in my example, fer sure. It’s a tort reform hybrid where you can sue directly as an alternative, your choice. I think the public is actually better informed with this model demanding info for the list and to be given to patients, by law. Hiding things is not in their favor, is made worse by this process. I don’t find the evil you do, although I do note that anti-vaxes make those claims all the time. The process does not seem to make those claims true.
I think the model shows genius, seems positive, is an alternative method, not a mandate, is bipartisan, and looks like good work to me. Perhaps needs improvement, but I would not toss the baby out with the bathwater. Especially if not vaccinated (ha ha). Neat we agree on being against tort reform and again, thanks for pointing out this law. Cool.
Well those were the dark days when the delusion of a left vs right came off as the uniparty danced in harmony to the marching band of the big pharma. And that tradition continues to date. Selling the nation into vaccine slavery was the nail in the coffin of America’s medical freedom.
Unbound pharma production is the threat that has materialized since and enveloped the average American, both child and adult. The role of the government to stand guard over pharma marked the fall of American freedom. Thanks to the corrupt fake news factories operating since the dawn of time, this would only be spun into something that was supposedly beneficial for public health.
There would be no need to pass this law if the safety was ensured and all was on the level. So yes this had everything to do with it. Note that it specifically applied to vaccines and vaccination because that is what the mandates and recommendations were going to be about in the coming years – not your daily drugs. You could sue the pharma for medication damage and the government won’t fight you there – but not in case of the vaccines. Says it all!
Ease of compensation is a nice spin – in other words, screwing one’s health and admitting that it was the vaccine that caused it but paying out of the taxpayer’s pocket. A mockery of the word fairness!
There is a lot not covered in the 1986 Get People Injured at Taxpayer’s Expense Act – the rule to bar pharma from running its own studies and clinical trials. And since the govt became the pharma’s partner, it would be the same team and a fair trial/test would also exclude the government for conflict of interest. Of course it was – and is – allowed to the point that govt funded the manufacturing process of vaccines at one stage or other. In case of COVID shots, it even had patent sharing – literally slaughtering science and fairness on the slab of profit.
COVID vaccine process was far from transparent. You don’t discover things with time in real science; you run long-term studies to make sure of the safety before granting approval. The opposite was done in COVID shots. Lame attempt to give it a passing grade. And thanks for your self-contradictory “very safe but potential for harm” double-speak. The shots are useless and dangerous while the infection is far less harmful. So entirely needless.
Sue the bastards in their own courts by the judges they put in place and attorneys they pay. Sure!
I chose to skip the “young danger” story since it sounds like irrelevant to this thread.
Haha, yeah it was just to make sure pharma keeps making vaccines while donating generously to the roaches in Congress who continue this law and be the puppets of this industry. Agreed!
There is no full force of pharma’s legal team once the govt. pulls out of the alliance. That is why the govt. had to come to their defense. Simple and easy.
“I think” is on the opposite pole of “the fact is” so not interested in your pro-pharma opinion. But it’s obvious at least whose interest you are representing here. And no you will not find the evil I see since you don’t want to see it, or maybe blind to it. Just different sightlines!
Bipartisanship has always worked to destroy the rights and freedoms of the public. So no wonder that this evil and un-American plan was executed in a typical uniparty fashion to screw the American people. The baby is a gator and the water here is sewer. I’d throw both out in the interest of We the People. And glad we can agree to disagree in a free country. 🙂
Good discussion, yet you may be going a bit off the rails now. You have a very dark view of everything and while I believe it’s a “trust but verify” world, hell, I’m from NJ, I do not trust, I do believe we should verify. But for you to assume big pharma is based in Mordor under that all-seeing eye, pretty much says you think my state’s people are all corrupt. And to top is off by saying “bipartisanship” will be our ruination is just weird. A few in NJ are corrupt, most are not. Including big pharma. Or big telecom. Or Campbell’s Soup… It is a business though, and business will always try lobbying, perhaps more, to gain an edge on profit.
It ain’t so that all big pharma is corrupt any more than big oil, or any big, is automatically corrupt. Yes, these people are in it for profit, but many for the good of man as well or instead. The entire corporation would not hide the truth or lie to people for profit. Big pharma exercises no more lobbying power than organizations like energy or even the NRA. Tis our process. As to collusion, no more, or less, than any other lobbying group.
Reagan, uniparty, that’s a hoot. I was there and it didn’t feel quite like that. OK, here’s the big difference. You hate vaccines, distrust pharm, govt, media —- makes you pretty open to the conspiracy that vaccines bad. You say “vaccine slavery.” I say safe, proven, vaccine alternatives for a longer, healthier life. Matter of fact, vaccine safety levels are some of the highest for any product known to man. It’s a great story of saving lives, extending lifespans, and improving quality of life for billions.
Vaccines are one of the safest products on the planet and have saved billions from suffering needlessly. Not even gonna source that one, it’s that obvious. You may not agree and that’s your opinion. But your opinion is factually wrong, many times over. Study after study shows you are wrong. The history of vaccines shows you are wrong. Safter than your microwave oven. And then, based on this false assumption, you gen up a myriad of supported rationales like:
“There would be no need to pass this law if the safety was ensured and all was on the level,” a non sequitur since there are many reasons stated to pass this law, and safety was never one of them for the alternative compensation part. That part is all about offering a discretionary tort reform process as an alternative to the still available liability lawsuit.
“Unbound pharma production is the threat that has materialized since and enveloped the average American, both child and adult.” To which I say, thank God for new medicines. Yes, there are companies trying to sell things, and there’s a lot of new vaccines to choose from, sometimes with some fear-factor marketing pushes, but all in all —- better to have them, then not.
“The role of the government to stand guard over pharma marked the fall of American freedom.” There is no proof that the Federal government is standing guard over pharma while there is more proof that government stands guard over citizens. Most lament the stringent safety protocols for vaccines as too much red tape, too slow, EU is faster, easier, but ending American freedom — that seems a stretch.
“Thanks to the corrupt fake news factories operating since the dawn of time, this would only be spun into something that was supposedly beneficial for public health.” Yeah, FOX news and NEWMAX indeed fit the role. Fact is, if government is bad, pharma bad, media bad, how do you know?
“There would be no need to pass this law if the safety was ensured and all was on the level.” Again, this is about compensation, not safety, as I have proven. You got apples and oranges here and need to address the safety programs and protocols, not the compensation alternatives to going to court for reimbursement for harmful side effects.
“Note that it specifically applied to vaccines and vaccination because….” Yes, because pharma was getting hinky about spending huge amounts for vaccines if they were completely unprotected against lawsuit. Medicines did not have that phobia, why, who knows, but seems some pretty clever PR moves by anti-vaxers who profit from people paying their way. They see vaccines as a magical voo doo that medicines apparently don’t rise too. Guess they haven’t tried some of the new blockers than can be pretty wild.
Fact is, statistics and quantitative analysis shows the US could have saved hundreds of thousands from death IF naysayers had taken the jab. We have our death statistics, our jab statistics, and same for other countries. OUR response rated us 222 out of like 238 countries. Everyone who participated in the jab at higher rates did better than us, and IF we had jabbed like they did, we might have come in at 100, instead of 222, and thus —- all those folks would have not been killed by covid.
Yes, I do not understand the entire bill and yes, the bill goes way beyond vaccine compensation which is only a portion of said bill. But the government is not fighting citizens on behalf of big pharma. You cannot prove that they do. This compensation changes NOTHING over the model you and I both like: the unbridled liability suit. The tort reform hybrid being offered by this bill is an alternative, not a mandate.
“COVID vaccine process was far from transparent.” BS alert: no proof.
“You don’t discover things with time in real science; you run long-term studies to make sure of the safety before granting approval.” Dude, there is no way in this complex world that you can test anything to 5 9’s of reliability and safety. The thresholds are set by law, but you will always learn more post release from the real world. There is no way to test every single possible situation, variable, and demographic. It’s just impossible.
I was a product guy: hardware, software, and more. I built my teams to test, but more importantly to respond. In today’s world, there was no way to test everything, every environment, every possible variable that might affect my product. There was always limited time and resource – that’s life. So we aimed for the high points, tested as well as possible but made sure our rapid response was ready, willing, and able to jump on any new wrinkle that popped, usually an interaction with some other product. Twas not the 99% of issues that got us, it was the 1% at the edges where new issues would arise that ONLY could be found in general availability and no way would be found UNLESS your test looked like general availability. Just the way it is. Same with medicine where instead of 99%; they probably get to like 99.9%. But shit happens and it’s great that this process is built to cover that, not hide it. Pharma does not fear the monetary loss, has no reason beyond perception to hide it, and IF they hide it, get caught, given the process — that’s even worse than not having the process.
“The opposite was done in COVID shots. Lame attempt to give it a passing grade.” I agree, but given the death toll, some corners cut, world-wide demand picked up the testing slack pretty fast, was a calculated risk worth the result by most experts, and it’s a very safe vaccine, many billions over. And who was the top cheerleader for speed? Trump, right? Fact is — it worked and the COVID vaccine is very, very safe. Of course, there are side effects and the possibility of them. Of course, some issues were found after general availability. More data is good. As is with all vaccines, all medicines, even OTC crap. That’s life.
“The shots are useless and dangerous while the infection is far less harmful. So entirely needless.” This is a lie, proven over and over. Useless? You can see the value by the numbers. Useless? You can see how blue states using it fared better than MAGA’s avoidance. In death. Infection less harmful — not by the numbers it’s ain’t. You are quantitatively, statistically, totally, wrong on all of these assumptions. Worse than that, others who believe this are at risk.
“Sue the bastards in their own courts by the judges they put in place and attorneys they pay. Sure!” I think the young danger example alone shows it’s the law and the law can work. Sure, suing big pharma means facing big pharma lawyers. But if you got the stuff, like me, you can win. And saying all judges and attorneys are paid off —– gee, you left out the juries and the Church….. Are there any good people in your world?
“That is why the govt. had to come to their defense. Simple and easy.” It’s an alternative compensation process. What defense? There is nothing to defend.
“Bipartisanship has always worked to destroy the rights and freedoms of the public.” Wow. So, I guess you are coming for us to restore your rights and freedoms? Since when is working together worse than working apart? A nation divided and all that razz-ma-taz.
Bottom line: you are allowed your opinions and long as they are truthful. The world is flat is an untrue opinion and a lie, for example. You can take or leave many vaccines, and you can fight the mandated ones, as you have no doubt. You can use this compensation process OR you can sue directly, your choice. Not sure what you are bitching about since you have your choice, your alternatives for almost anything vaccine. But the compensation part of this bill, I think, is pure genius offering citizens a fast, ez, process for adverse vaccine outcomes, without having to sue pharma, an alternative still available to citizens if they choose. And pharma, more or less, foots the bill via taxes, just like we are using tariffs to foot some bills today. Seems like a pretty cool process to me, a process that encourages vaccine development, and a process that I would have taken advantage of, even though I hate tort reform, but due to circumstances at the time IF you had read my example, which I agree, is an anecdote and not statistically significant. But the breadth mints were “priceless.” FYI: my neighbor hated me for filing an insurance claim, thought I ruined his life. Apparently my 15% disability I should suck up, oh well, that’s life too.
I have to ask: given your dark mood, how do you find anything to put your trust in anywhere in America? Perhaps time for a new place to live: Turkey has a good strongman at the helm who has similar views. Other than that, good discussion, thanks for illuminating this bill. Interesting.
Off the rails? Lols. Yeah I think that would be the case for someone from the Dem-run craphole of NJ where being the train wreck is the standard. Now you made me say that since I didn’t drag NJ into it – being not directly related. You won’t be surprised to learn that I don’t take your word on who is corrupt in NJ or elsewhere and to what degree. But yeah, another statement from you, nothing more.
Another fallacious line of reasoning and irrelevant – oh the other big businesses are corrupt too. So? That makes vaccine industry look good? NJ style of self-deception I suppose.
Matter of fact is the safe and life-saving vaccines is one of the biggest frauds in human history. So repeat it a million times and it still remains a lie.
“But your opinion is factually wrong, many times over.” Say that in front of the mirror over abd over – and then you are right. 🙂
Your next para is repetitive nonsense that I answered already.
Then your unscientific and blind embrace of vaccines is added proof of your ignorance.
We know from independent studies and analyses by countless researchers, journalists, and many whistleblowers working in the field. Thankfully people like me have critical thinking skills and don’t follow the herd, like the vaxers do.
You’ve proven nothing except that you have no reasoning skills, only repeating your baseless claims.
“Medicines did not have that phobia, why, who knows,” lols. Yeah the “who knows” part says it all about your cluelessness.
Madeup stats and unscientific corrupt and intentionally misleading (read lying) reports based on hypotheticals do speak for vaccines and vaccination. That is already discussed. Your claims without any evidence backing them shows you got nothing but gas to share. So keep emitting.
Yes the government IS fighting on behalf of the vaccine industry and the 1986 ACT did it expressly by making DOJ defend vaccine injury cases. Where else does DOJ defend a claim against a business? Duh!
BS alert is the slogan to say when you speak in front of the mirror, or anywhere for that matter. Good that you know it!
It is impossible because it is convenient to move the goal posts – like they did in 2020 – and take away people’s freedoms at the expense of transparency. They have to think the sheeple-think they got millions of believers – many from blue states.
“I was a product guy: hardware, software, and more.” Stopped reading the para after it since your personal story is irrelevant and not verifiable on this platform anyways. So saved a few minutes from wasting on your nonsense.
The fake death count and pseudo-science involved in the whole plandemic business has been exposed over the course of the 4 plus years. Trump was wrong and a moron in that whole affair. Now keep repeating the safe and effective vaccine lie to yourself many more million times. Probably works like an emotional support animal for you, lols.
The good people in my world are killed, threatened into silence, and cancelled by the villains who are your heroes.
“Alternative compensation process.” Aka BS from NJ. Yeah nothing to defend. The Act was just about paying people because the government felt generous with some injured people who God knows got injured by whatever – but can’t be vaccines, but let’s call it vaccine injury compensation anyways. Bull and Crap are the bread and butter of libtards.
I have my choice and you have your shots, so what are you bitching about here? I don’t think your mother’s named vaccine so that any criticism of it sets you off. Yeah you are free to believe in the fake science of vaccines and vaccination but that doesn’t mean your opinion has to be accepted everywhere, or anywhere else for that matter.
Still thankful to skipping whatever BS you have for an “example”. Not worth my time!
There are dark things common to places all over the world. Ignorant and stupid people that follow the safe and effective vaccine narrative are as abundant anywhere else as in America. I don’t think you are intelligent or relevant enough to offer anyone any suggestion on where to live or what to believe. That said, it was a pleasure to discuss the issue, and I look forward to educate you better on the topic and on your own shortcomings in reasoning.
Till next time 🙂
WTP: and there you go, backup mode, completely off the rails.
You offer personal attacks in abundance. Any fact, statistic, number, expert, you claim is fake, false, or both. You posit many a theory but offer no statistics, numbers, experts, sources, whatever. Nothing except opinion based on the fact that all experts are fake, false, or both.
Yes, my anecdote is not a quantitative, scientific example, feel free to discount. But trashing all experts, science, statistics, to replace them with your contrary opinion is not a valid approach, except for a dolt.
Actually you did drag NJ into it once you claimed all big pharma is corrupt.
“We know from independent studies and analyses by countless researchers, journalists, and many whistleblowers working in the field. Thankfully people like me have critical thinking skills and don’t follow the herd, like the vaxers do.” Except you show not a single one as evidence. Why?
Here’s mine: “One of the brightest chapters in the history of science is the impact of vaccines on human longevity and health.” NIH: Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Trump appointee runs. *https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4151719/*
“Vaccines have saved an estimated 154 million lives – the equivalent of 6 lives every minute of every year – over the past 50 years. The vast majority of lives saved were those of infants. Childhood vaccinations today prevent an estimated 4 million deaths annually.” This is a vaccine supplier, but a great overview of the process and safety systems like VAERS, CISA, and the vaccine safety datalink. *https://www.sabin.org/resources/vaccines-101-their-history-how-they-work-and-their-impact/*
*https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/vaccine-studies-examine-the-evidence.aspx* This is a compendium of over 35 studies into vaccine safety probably shooting down everything you spew. The healthy children organization is the American Academy of Pediatrics, an evil partner of big pharma and devil government organizations in your mind, no doubt.
Let’s see you support your spew. With facts. Sources. Quantitative analysis. Statistics.
Oh yeah, let me respond to: “Matter of fact is the safe and life-saving vaccines is one of the biggest frauds in human history.” Ooops, never mind, did it again, above, and I know: you think the American Academy of Pediatrics is the devil incarnate.
“Madeup stats and unscientific corrupt and intentionally misleading (read lying) reports based on hypotheticals do speak for vaccines and vaccination.” Prove any of this or be a stupid, ignorant, unthinking piece of shit.
“Yes the government IS fighting on behalf of the vaccine industry and the 1986 ACT did it expressly by making DOJ defend vaccine injury case.” Again, show us. DOJ does defend the data systems, which often looks like defending big pharma, but it isn’t. It’s defending the data, which determines compensation, with DOJ attempting to determine fair compensation. Show us where it’s different.
One of your best: “The fake death count and pseudo-science involved in the whole plandemic business has been exposed over the course of the 4 plus years.” No proof. No stats. Pure bull shit. And even if we cut the deaths in half, our Trump response still sucked dog dicks in hell as compared to most developed nations for comparison. The fact you put your head in the sand, worse yet, come up for air and tell us your delusions, without evidence, notwithstanding.
FYI: what state do you hail from so I can make fun of it? Come on big man, toe the line,.
Thank you train wreck! I’m sure you know about rails.
You just take things too personally and forget to share any actual stats, credible science, or facts backed by solid evidence in support of your claims. Your posts are kinda Kamala Harris style word salads. I don’t know if you cackle afterwards like her too. 🙂
Again your irrelevant anecdote and your repetition of claims about this and that – with no real substance. So keep honing your doltishness.
“Actually you did drag NJ into it once you claimed all big pharma is corrupt.” LOLS. Speak of lunacy! What do they call residents of NJ – New Jerkies?
You haven’t shown a single specific objective and verified scientific research in support of your claims. So will be waiting for it.
First your cited speech is from an article NOT by Bhattacharya but someone named Stanley Plotkin whose article link you shared. So you rushed it real bad. But it’s not NJ’s fault – it’s just you – desperate and a stooge. Lols. Secondly, a statement – no matter who made it – is a claim, not evidence. So where’s the evidence?
Oh, you are citing a vaccine developer to credit its industry with saving lives. LMOA! Yeah, the other partners are as much into the vaccine business as the developer – but again the evidence is missing. How do you prove the claim that an estimated (LOLS) 4 million more deaths would happen annually if the vaccination is stopped and everything else remains the same? Prove by evidence.
American Academy of Pediatrics https://www.aap.org/en/philanthropy/corporate-and-organizational-partners/current-partners/. Allow me enough time to laugh it out at your desperation and poorest of the poor reasoning skills not to mention total lack of intel. The experts need to immediately test the water and air quality of NJ. Or is a genetic issue? Damn it’s bad!
First you go ahead and provide Sources. Quantitative analysis. Statistics. And then discuss it with me, not drop a link as evidence but the actual science – the methodology, experimental design, conflict of interest, limitations of the study, and replicability. Let’s see what you got up your sleeve.
Show you what? if you deny that the sun doesn’t exist doesn’t make the sun go away, only shows the world that you are either blind or BSing. In this discussion, it’s definitely the latter. Does the DOJ defend the victims of a car crash and compensate the family of a dead or an injured person in a car crash court case? Any other industry? Is there any other specific National Compensation Act for another industry? You can BS yourself or those who share your low intel/IQ but don’t even think you can do it to others.
“No proof. No stats. Pure bull shit.” That’s a wonderful description in just a few words of your entire rant here, your entire education and intel, and the last part likely of your whole life. You do make sense when you talk about yourself like this – right in front of a mirror, tight? Lols
Now you can make another attempt at improving upon your BS and actually start a reasonable discussion. Or you can continue building up on your idiocy to go where only New Jerkies have gone before.
I am from the red states and the red counties and the red cites and the red neighborhoods and homes from any/every state. Feel free to insult. 🙂
No facts, just lame opinion, and personal attacks.
I have provided many facts, figures, you contest little, at least with facts.
Sorry about Dr. Jay, not even sure how I did that, but Stanley Plotkin is a legend:
1956: Internship, Cleveland Metropolitan General Hospital
1957: Officer, Epidemic Intelligence Service, United States Public Health Service
1959–1973: Instructor, then associate professor, School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania
1961: Resident, Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia
1962–1963: Resident, Hospital for Sick Children London
1964: Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. Foundation scholar
1965–1972: Associate physician, Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia
1972–1990: Director of infectious diseases and senior physician, Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia
1974–1991: Professor of pediatrics and microbiology, School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania[
1974–1991: Professor of virology, Wistar Institute
1984–1986: President, medical staff, Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia
1991–1998: Medical and scientific director Pasteur Merieux Connaught, Marnes-la-Coquette
2003: Professor emeritus, Wistar Institute
2006: Professor emeritus of virology, University of Pennsylvania
2006: Executive advisor, Sanofi Pasteur
2014: Senior advisor, Global Virus Network
Associate chairman, department of pediatrics, University of Pennsylvania
Member, Center for HIV/AIDS Vaccine Immunology
Adjunct professor, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Scientific advisor, Mymetics
2017: Scientific advisor (and co-founder) of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI)
Awards
2002: Albert B. Sabin Gold Medal
2009: Maxwell Finland Award for Scientific Achievement
What’s in your wallet? Bullshit.
“What do they call residents of NJ – New Jerkies?” Not to our faces unless you want to see the shady, smelly side of Secaucus. What do they call your state residents? You live in the state of confusion, right?
No proof. No stats. Pure bull shit is all you have. You claim I provided no facts, stats, or quantitative assessment. That’s not true. You are full of shit. Your “pushbacks” are mostly personal, but where you have deemed it proper to actually provide a fact, I have shot you down. Over and over.
We are done on this. FUCK OFF. The information stands as printed. You have proved nothing except you wear your tin foil hat too tight, and it’s too small to begin with. Or your head is too fat.
Prove one of these experts facts is wrong. Prove it. Show us any actual support, beyond name calling, for your opinions, any one of them. Or let it go and STFU.
No facts, just lame opinion, and rants and nonsense – defines you well.
List of names is not evidence of a claim. Thank you for showing once again your idiocy and total lack of intelligence.
Secaucus? Not sure what it is but sure sounds like you; shady and smelly, well thanks for sharing your pronouns. Libtards have a knack for it.
“I have shot you down. Over and over.” LMAO! New Jerkie is having a meltdown folks. Wanna enjoy the show? Tickets on sale for this retard star called Danger. Discounts available for NJ residents. Lols
Well if you are done, you sure can fuck off. You were never wanted in the first place. What are you doing here instead of shitting in your diapers in your mama’s basement? Your FAT mama’s basement. Lols
You have no case to begin with, just the BS that you are and do. So say STFU to yourself in front of your bathroom mirror and go eat the rats that live with you.
I told you we are done; you are a useless rubber, spent.
I put your comments into my AI machine and it spit out: “”I’m rubber, you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you” is a common childhood taunt used to deflect insults or criticisms. It implies that the other person’s words are ineffective and will only harm themself. The phrase is also used in other contexts, including literature and even philosophical discussions about anger and emotional resilience.”
Childhood taunts don’t impress anyone, and mirroring back mindlessly is even less impressive.
You are entirely adequate.
And I told you that your infantile New Jerkie meltdown doesn’t mean shit, just worse. You only can have AI because you have no intelligence of yourself, much like AOC. Lols. Oh wait your AI is as stupid as you – anything “your” is bound to be stupid and useless.
Now you need to work on your emotional and IQ problems, each worse than the other. And if you work hard enough while managing to get out of your smelly shady basement life, you may even get a chance. How does that sound
And you are too big a pussy to even mention your state while you like about it having all red cities and counties. Pants of fire on that one, no doubt.
OOOOH, the P word. Sounds like you have a close relationship with your big fat ugly mama. Is that common among New Jerkies? Asking for a friend. Too bad you are not getting a name. Why don’t you guess it? Maybe hire Kamala to find out, though she will have to do Willi’s weewee for some time, LOLS. Now go get your tampons before Tim steals them. 🙂
This is your new thing. You start with a decent conversation which, as you discover your total inadequacies to support or further your conversation, you devolve into a senseless rant of childish taunts, like my momma, to cover your weakness in making your point.
And when I tell you we are done, I am through, you go completely postal, off the rails into your world of strange delusions including mirroring back anything I say like a 4-year old.
It’s too bad you feel this is supporting your arguments. Weird too.
Shut up Dunger. You can’t win.
Nah, there’s no new or old thing, there’s just one thing and that is showing you the mirror. Yes it would hurt you for obvious reason.
First, I did not start a conversation. You don’t even know the meaning of a conversation. I posted a comment on the article, not for you to bring in your stench and start babbling. So it was you started the “conversation” or rather dragged me into it.
Now for the rest of your rant, you are just regurgitating the bull that fills you and is self-generating. You have nothing to do with science or reason or intelligence or understanding. So you bring your 2-click research of a list with zero ability to actually cite evidence and discuss it. But then you are a New Jerkie and grew up as a village idiot, not much different from the blubber blob Chris Christie.
“And when I tell you we are done..” you don’t tell me anything basement creature. Nobody tells me anything including being done. I decide when I’m done. With you I am always done given your level – lower than lowest that is; but you need to behave yourself and stop being the human garbage that feels free to drag its stench into ever place and every thread. You need to realize that your mere presence is an abomination. Repeat that word in front of your bathroom mirror. It’ll be worth your time.