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Epstein Files are Chum in the Water for Media Sharks and gossip mongers

Epstein Files are Chum in the Water for Media Sharks and gossip mongers

Since the release of the files, Epstein stories have been spreading faster and farther afield than the Covid 19 virus. And it is not only the media that has gone into a feeding frenzy. So have the social media scribes and that portion of the public that salaciously dwells on scandal and conspiracy theories. The court of public opinion is in full session with all the dangers of false accusations, guilt by association and rushes to judgment – those things a court of law does not allow.

One of my obsessive critics is a good example of what is wrong when speculation and innuendoes are spread as facts. In response to an earlier commentary on the impact of the Epstein File releases, Frank Danger, as he likes to be known, offered up one of his characteristically frequent long boring rants. He said:

I’m sorry but are you (this writer) defending Epstein and the men he associated with? Why are you trying to uphold the reputation of men who consorted with a pedo who created over 1,000 victims, most of who want to see this information (sic). 

As with those who wallow in rumors, gossip and scandal — and respond with hyperbolic mendacious rants — Frank Danger creates his own straw man reality. Nothing in the graph above is remotely true. I do not defend those criminally involved. However, many of those named were not “consorting” with Epstein, as Frank Danger unfairly implies. They all had different relationships with Epstein – but nothing criminal has been yet revealed about any of them.

Not sure where Frank Danger got the number of victims, but he is telling a fib when he says that most of 1000 victims “want to see this information” Virtually all the media reports about the victims offer up interviews with only a handful of victims. The vast majority of them have remained in the shadow — and many of them have said they did not want the files revealed. They did not want the bandage ripped off the wound.

My commentary was not a defense argument for any person engaged in Epstein’s criminal activities. They should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We can all agree on that. In fact, that is exactly what happened. L’Affaire Epstein was investigated intensively over many years by two Departments of Justice – one under President Biden and one under President Trump. They both drew the same conclusion. There was no further evidence (not gossip) that would lead to additional indictments and conviction. That does not mean there are not others guilty, but courts of law demand hard evidence. That is why the court of public opinion is not a good conduit to justice. Quite the opposite. It is the judiciary of the mob.

For sure, lots of folks in the files do not look good. We may see them as reprobates. Their relationships with Epstein are embarrassing, to say the least. Many of those named have had close dealings with Epstein, but many seem to have been involved in normal or more casual dealings – business and social. Photos with Epstein mean nothing. He was a socialite who traveled in the company of the rich and famous.

The point of my earlier commentary was that the Justice Department should have maintained its tradition of not revealing information about folks who are not targets of criminal investigation. It is a policy that protects innocent parties from the kind of concocted scandal we are witnessing today. The longstanding prosecutorial policy is designed to shield innocent people from folks like Frank Danger, who engage in malicious gossip and slander to score political points.

Under American jurisprudence, people are to be assumed innocent of crimes until proven otherwise in a court of law. Frank Danger does the opposite. He presumes guilt and makes unfair and untrue accusations by speculation and innuendo.

Associating with Epstein is not a crime. Visiting his home or Island – of flying on his plane – are not crimes. Even being involved sexually with “Epstein’s women” is not a crime unless they are underage. Poor morals, perhaps, bad morals but not criminal. The crime of pedophilia occurs when the sex involves girls (or boys) who are underaged. That is the crime that can be – and should be — prosecuted when there is the evidence to sustain an indictment and trial.

For sure, some of the people named invite heightened suspicion – Prince Andrew and Bill Gates, as two examples. They were seen or photographed with Epstein’s underage girls. Unfortunately, suspicion is not evidence – even in those cases.

The Frank Danger types ignore American justice and common decency. They fall back on unwarranted certainty – often saying “everybody knows …. to bolster their unsubstantiated claims. They engage in scurrilous accusations without evidence – even in the face of determinations by multiple federal prosecutors that there is no sufficient evidence to bring additional indictments. If such evidence is found … good. Let the wheels of justice grind. Let the chips fall where they may. Let the guilty be punished.

But the fact of the matter is that not one of the scores of names being tossed around in the press has been proven to be complicit in any illegal activities associated with Epstein. At least not so far. We may see them as sleazebags in some cases, but that is not criminal. As one left-wing guest on MS NOW noted, ‘The Justice Department is not in the business of embarrassing people.” Well …. it is now.

My commentary was about devotion to the law – not the type of political vigilantism that folks like Frank Danger promote.

So, there ‘tis.

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Larry Horist

So, there ‘tis… The opinions, perspectives and analyses of businessman, conservative writer and political strategist Larry Horist. Larry has an extensive background in economics and public policy. For more than 40 years, he ran his own Chicago based consulting firm. His clients included such conservative icons as Steve Forbes and Milton Friedman. He has served as a consultant to the Nixon White House and travelled the country as a spokesman for President Reagan’s economic reforms. Larry professional emphasis has been on civil rights and education. He was consultant to both the Chicago and the Detroit boards of education, the Educational Choice Foundation, the Chicago Teachers Academy and the Chicago Academy for the Performing Arts. Larry has testified as an expert witness before numerous legislative bodies, including the U. S. Congress, and has lectured at colleges and universities, including Harvard, Northwestern and DePaul. He served as Executive Director of the City Club of Chicago, where he led a successful two-year campaign to save the historic Chicago Theatre from the wrecking ball. Larry has been a guest on hundreds of public affairs talk shows, and hosted his own program, “Chicago In Sight,” on WIND radio. An award-winning debater, his insightful and sometimes controversial commentaries have appeared on the editorial pages of newspapers across the nation. He is praised by audiences for his style, substance and sense of humor. Larry retired from his consulting business to devote his time to writing. His books include a humorous look at collecting, “The Acrapulators’ Guide”, and a more serious history of the Democratic Party’s role in de facto institutional racism, “Who Put Blacks in That PLACE? -- The Long Sad History of the Democratic Party’s Oppression of Black Americans ... to This Day”. Larry currently lives in Boca Raton, Florida.

20 Comments

  1. frank danger

    I will respond to Larry’s specific comments shortly, there is a lot to digress here, but I digest :>) I welcome the chance to respond to his short, boring piece using me as his foil.

    FIRST: All that is wanted here, apparently even Trump wants it, he voted for it, is some level of closure for the survivors. As Bondi said, Trump signed the law to free the Epstein files, they are gung-ho to nap pedo’s wherever they are. Trump just has issues with actions matching his words. Yesterday, we saw Pedophile Protector Pam Bondi, lie, obfuscate, divert with childish taunts, divert from answers instead wandering into other issues, questioners backgrounds, while totally ignoring survivors in the room, just feet from her, begging the DOJ to talk with them making anyone with a brain wonder: what are Trump/Bondi hiding? Almost every move Bondi has made looks like coverup. When asked how many rich white men have been investigated, indicted, etc., she responded that we should be focusing on the Dow’s highs.

    Larry is similar in his defense of the indefensible. The law is on the books. Free the files. Redact by law. You are in violation of the law. Defending such violations is tantamount to not supporting the rule of law.

    Bondi often referred to the fact that folks in the past, like Garland, dropped the ball excusing her coverup and failures of what she owns now. The case is open, and Bondi seems hell bent to sweep it under the rug as did her predecessors. Bondi cannot blame the past for her current failure. If anything, it provided a great opportunity to prove how better she is.

    Bondi illegally fails to release the files. When she releases some files, does not redact the survivor’s personal information and redacts most of the rich, white men. Trump is mentioned 1 million times; his family members are in there too, all redacted. Internationally, the files have caused people to step down from power in a few countries, none in America even as Lutnick lies through his teeth about it, no issue from this administration. What is Bondi hiding? A few days ago, two days before the hearing, DOJ let Congress see unredacted files. There were four, terminals using different passwords for each Congress member. Really? How many billions in funding for ICE and all Bondi can find is four terminals for all of Congress? It appears that DOJ was tracking the PC activity to know exactly what each member was looking at before Bondi’s reality-show defense in front of Congress. She had the tracking in her burn book. And you all get upset over phone call records, not taping the call, just the call record, as you appear to track every mouse click for every Congress member looking at the unredacted files: and then you use the data to push back in your House appearance. And the supposed unredacted Epstein files for Congress were still REDACTED.

    Folks, this is not going to end until all the files come into the light, redacted by law not by personal pleasure to protect potential pedophiles.

    Larry-Joe tells us Trump called PBPD police chief in July of 2006 “to tell him that Epstein’s activities with teenaged girls were well known in both New York and Palm Beach.” “Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this,” the police chief said Trump told him in 2006. Trump has also claimed he kicked Epstein out of Mar A Largo around 2003 or 2004, after accusing him of poaching staff, not what he says in 2006 everyone knew. Teen-aged girls, meh. Poaching staff: you’re out of here. According to club records, the actual ban was in 2007, a whole year after Trump called PBPD: what’s up with that? Certainly not urgency or certainty. From the story, and a fact Joe left out, in 2019, Trump said: “No, I had no idea. I had no idea,” about Epstein’s activities. So which is it: pedophilia, staff poaching, or no idea? Today, Trump’s FBI said: “We are not aware of any corroborating evidence that the President contacted law enforcement 20 years ago” as in the PBPD did not call the FBI. Neither did Trump. What’s up with that? For Maxwell, Trump in July 2020, said, “I just wish her well, frankly.” And later his lawyer gave her Club Fed. Sound like a coverup?
    In 2008, Epstein was convicted in a FL sweetheart deal for 13 months with a work release by a prosecutor, Alexander Acosta who somehow becomes Trump’s Secretary of Labor for his efforts. Payback? Coverup? The plea bargain was a secret deal. The work release lets him out every day. Bear in mind that the investigation started in 2005, Trump said nothing even though he, and everyone according to Trump, apparently knew, he kicked Epstein out of Mar A Largo but did not go to the authorities with what he, and everyone, knew. In 2019, Epstein dies in jail on Trump’s watch.

    And everyone, from 2005 to today, in the Federal Government, have done what Bondi did in public yesterday: turned their backs on the survivors.

    I think it’s time to give it up Pam, stop being a Pedophile Protector, let the sunshine in and release the files, redacted correctly, and let the chips fall where they may in investigating each willing survivor, and even with your actions to chill them out, there are many. Truth seekers will not let this go, nor should they. There’s a thousand survivors out there looking for closure and not one rich white man has been indicted for any of those 1,000 victims. If you show some backbone and support the victims, there will be more survivors to help. And investigate each of the men to prove who is culpable and who is not. The innocent men will appreciate this as will the survivors and most of America. Bondi has a choice and, so far, she has chosen badly. IMO, she could turn this around by letting the sunshine in and then pursuing all leads to wherever they go as the Protector of Survivors, the one who did what Biden, Obama, and Bush swept under the rug. Hard to fathom why not make that choice unless: coverup.

  2. frank danger

    My comments (in parens) and sorry for the length which Larry deems as “characteristically frequent long boring rants.”

    Since the release of the files, Epstein stories have been spreading faster and farther afield than the Covid 19 virus. (always good to lead with a covid joke: how many dead was that, wink-wink-nudge-nudge. Starts in bad taste and goes downhill).

    Frank Danger, as he likes to be known, offered up one of his characteristically frequent long boring rants. (don’t be a douche). He said: I’m sorry but are you (this writer) defending Epstein and the men he associated with? Why are you trying to uphold the reputation of men who consorted with a pedo who created over 1,000 victims, most of who want to see this information (sic). (seems like a fair question given Larry’s defense of hiding the Epstein files from the public.)

    As with those who wallow in rumors, gossip and scandal — and respond with hyperbolic mendacious rants — Frank Danger creates his own straw man reality. Nothing in the graph above is remotely true. (In a memo in July 2025, the FBI said its review of the files found that Epstein’s victims numbered more than 1,000. BUSTED) I do not defend those criminally involved. (Your denial the survivors exist is defending the culprits. Remember, it was Trump who said: “everybody knows he’s evil,” so you want to hide those who associate with evil even though all of them knew it? Let’s see them in the light of day and not hide them as you want to do).

    (I asked the simple question: are you defending, you say no, and then you defend.)

    However, many of those named were not “consorting” with Epstein, as Frank Danger unfairly implies. (this may or may not be not true; how do you know who consorted and what consorting even means? It means to habitually associate with (someone), typically with the disapproval of others. (like is Lutnick having a family meal with Epstein consorting or not consorting? Habitually since he met at least three times. You just can’t know what level of consorting going on until the files are free. And if they do not go free, then Lutnick’s lies stand as the truth.) They all had different relationships with Epstein – but nothing criminal has been yet revealed about any of them. (Larry, we don’t even know who they are, much less, what they were consorting about. Are you actually saying don’t look, don’t tell, no see, must be innocent? And all the folks resigning, quitting, running away — must be innocent?).

    Not sure where Frank Danger got the number of victims, but he is telling a fib when he says that most of 1000 victims “want to see this information” (. (In a memo in July 2025, the FBI said its review of the files found that Epstein’s victims numbered more than 1,000. I think it’s in the files, but there is a memo. DOJ’s case was for dozens, not a handful.)

    Virtually all the media reports about the victims offer up interviews with only a handful of victims. (are you really saying only a handful interviewed and therefore more do not exist? Really? DOJ has dozens in their case. FBI has a memo noting over 1,000. Why are you defending the indefensible? And most speaking out want to see the files, and they all SAY they are speaking for the silent majority.) The vast majority of them have remained in the shadow — and many of them have said they did not want the files revealed. (With guys like you, I can understand avoiding the limelight. But prove it, especially against the handful that are vocal. You just made that up, you do not really know). They did not want the bandage ripped off the wound. (Prove it, you don’t know this to be true. On one hand you say they don’t exist, but if they do, they don’t want to have the files revealed. Again, who are you defending?).

    My commentary was not a defense argument for any person engaged in Epstein’s criminal activities. (You just say the survivors do not exist in great numbers. YOU say by shielding the files, by redacting the men’s names, by your tacit agreement that’s a good thing, I say you most certainly look like you are defending pedo’s). They should be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We can all agree on that. In fact, that is exactly what happened. L’Affaire Epstein (excuse me — first the covid joke and then L’Affaire Epstein? This is not a fucking joke, this is no time to be cutesy, this is a incredibly large sex trafficking group of underage women; one girl may have been nine. What’s your next defense, “she’s a very mature nine?) was investigated intensively over many years by two Departments of Justice – one under President Biden and one under President Trump. They both drew the same conclusion. There was no further evidence (not gossip) that would lead to additional indictments and conviction. That does not mean there are not others guilty, but courts of law demand hard evidence. That is why the court of public opinion is not a good conduit to justice. (then why put the Guthrie masked villain picture to the public? He might be innocent. Why perp walk Comey? He is innocent. You guys are the bandleaders for trying people on FOX, on TUCKER, and right here. Give it a rest. If Bill Gates did it with Epstein, he probably did it with someone else so let’s make it public and see if anyone comes forward, just like the Guthrie masked guy.). Quite the opposite. It is the judiciary of the mob. (oh please Madam, you kvetch too much. Just free the files and lets the factual chips fall where they may. We admit Bush, Obama, Biden and Trump DOJs failed; is that the rationale for your failure in the face of the law you are breaking as I type. It’s your time, Trump 2.0 time, your turn, your promise, your commitment, so, free the files, don’t bury them again. It’s THE LAW. Remember, you honor the rule of law, except in this case it seems. For some reason it seems and all your caterwauling just digs your denial in deeper).

    EDIT TIME SINCE HORIST REPEATS HIMSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS, REPEATS HIMSELF WHEN UNDER STRESS:

    The Frank Danger types (illogical stereotyping and generalization without prior evidence) ignore American justice and common decency. They fall back on unwarranted certainty – often saying “everybody knows …. to bolster their unsubstantiated claims. (except for quoting Trump, where did I say “everybody knows? Just because I say follow the law, free the files, redact by law — Larry is against the guy who wants to honor the law and instead he wants to protect rich, white, men, who consorting with Epstein. He does not even want you to see their names.)

    They engage in scurrilous accusations without evidence – even in the face of determinations by multiple federal prosecutors that there is no sufficient evidence to bring additional indictments. If such evidence is found … good. Let the wheels of justice grind. Let the chips fall where they may. Let the guilty be punished. (Bondi refused to even acknowledge the survivors and has met with none of them. Given the failure of DOJ during Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump and now Trump again, who promised more, the law says free the files, redact by law, and either you are for the rule of law, or you are a Larry.)

    (I am truly sorry some of these guys may get a little muddy from the public dragging. They are rich, I suggest a good PR firm and get ahead of it with your story. Or quit and step down as many have already done.)

    But the fact of the matter is that not one of the scores of names being tossed around in the press has been proven to be complicit in any illegal activities associated with Epstein. (So, don’t’ follow the law and free the files because Larry does not want to hurt rich guys hanging with Epstein (no pun intended)). At least not so far. We may see them as sleazebags in some cases, but that is not criminal. As one left-wing guest on MS NOW noted, ‘The Justice Department is not in the business of embarrassing people.” Well …. it is now.
    My commentary was about devotion to the law – not the type of political vigilantism that folks like Frank Danger promote. (good, so free the files, redacted according to law —- THAT IS THE LAW YOU CLAIM DEVOTION TOO. TRUMP SIGNED THE LAW —- ARE YOU BLAMING TRUMP OF ALL MY TRANSGRESSIONS IN WANTING TO HONOR AND FOLLOW THE LAW TO FREE THE FILES?)

    • frank danger

      Marshall McLuhan famously said: the medium is the message. Given today’s internet, truer words were never spoken. My response medium above was a mess; thus my message too. Therefore, I have reposted my comments only since the (in parens) was a clumsy medium choice, with a few minor edits for “clarity”:

      LARRY: Always good to lead with a covid joke: how many dead was that; wink-wink-nudge-nudge? Starts in bad taste and goes downhill. Don’t be a douche calling names.

      I asked what seems like a fair question given Larry’s defense of hiding the Epstein files from the public. In a memo in July 2025, the FBI said its review of the files found that Epstein’s victims numbered more than 1,000. BUSTED. Your denial the survivors exist is defending the culprits. Remember, it was Trump who said: “everybody knows he’s evil,” so you want to hide those who associate with evil even though all of them knew it? Let’s see them in the light of day and not hide them as you want to do. I asked the simple question; are you defending? You say no, and then you continue to defend. How do you know who consorted and what consorting even means? It means to habitually associate with (someone), typically with the disapproval of others. Like is Lutnick having a family meal with Epstein consorting or not consorting? Habitually since he met at least three times. You just can’t know what level of consorting is going on until the files are free. Now it turns out Lutnick was investing with Epstein too. And if the files do not go free, then Lutnick’s lies stand as the truth since Bondi knew he was lying, and did nothing; Blanche knew he was lying, and did nothing. They had to know; they said they read the files. That’s what you are protecting. Does that mean Lutnick guilty. Of course not. But he did consort with Epstein.

      Larry, we don’t even know who they are, much less, what they were consorting about. Are you actually saying don’t look, don’t tell, no see, must be innocent? And all the folks resigning, quitting, running away — must be innocent? In a memo in July 2025, the FBI said its review of the files found that Epstein’s victims numbered more than 1,000. I think it’s in the files, but there IS a memo. DOJ’s case was for dozens, not a handful as you mistakenly say. Are you really saying only a handful interviewed and therefore more do not exist? Really? DOJ has dozens in their case. FBI has a memo noting over 1,000. Why are you defending the indefensible? And most speaking out want to see the files, and they all SAY they are speaking for the silent majority. There was a “handful” behind Bondi that she could not even face, must less interview. With guys like you, and gals like Bondi, I can understand avoiding the limelight. But prove it, especially against the handful that are vocal. You just made that up, you do not really know. Prove it, you don’t know this to be true. On one hand you say they don’t exist, but if they do, they don’t want to have the files revealed. Again, who are you defending? You just say the survivors do not exist in great numbers. YOU say by shielding the files, by redacting the men’s names, by your tacit agreement that’s a good thing, I say you most certainly look like you are defending pedo’s.

      Excuse me — first the covid joke and then L’Affaire Epstein? This is not a fucking joke, this is no time to be cutesy, this is a incredibly large sex trafficking group of underage women; one girl may have been nine. What’s your next defense, “she’s a very mature nine? Then why put the Guthrie masked villain picture to the public? He might be innocent. Why perp walk Comey? He is innocent. You guys are the bandleaders for trying people on FOX, on TUCKER, and right here. Give it a rest. If Bill Gates did it with Epstein, he probably did it with someone else so let’s make it public and see if anyone comes forward, just like the Guthrie masked guy.

      Oh please Madam, you kvetch too much. Just free the files and lets the factual chips fall where they may. We admit Bush, Obama, Biden and Trump DOJs failed; is that the rationale for your failure in the face of the law you are breaking as I type. It’s your time, Trump 2.0 time, your turn, your promise, your commitment, so, free the files, don’t bury them again. It’s THE LAW.

      Remember, you honor the rule of law, except in this case it seems. For some reason it seems and all your caterwauling just digs your denial in deeper. Illogical stereotyping and generalization without prior evidence. Except for quoting Trump, where did I say “everybody knows? Just because I say follow the law, free the files, redact by law — Larry is against the guy who wants to honor the law and instead he wants to protect rich, white, men, who consorting with Epstein. He does not even want you to see their names.
      Bondi refused to even acknowledge the survivors and has met with none of them. Given the failure of DOJ during Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump and now Trump again, who promised more, the law says free the files, redact by law, and either you are for the rule of law, or you are a Larry.

      I am truly sorry some of these guys may get a little muddy from the public dragging. They are rich, I suggest a good PR firm and get ahead of it with your story. Or quit and step down as many have already done.

      So, don’t’ follow the law and free the files because Larry does not want to hurt rich guys hanging with Epstein (no pun intended). Good, so free the files, redacted according to law —- THAT IS THE LAW YOU CLAIM DEVOTION TOO. TRUMP SIGNED THE LAW. ARE YOU BLAMING TRUMP OF ALL MY TRANSGRESSIONS IN WANTING TO HONOR AND FOLLOW THE LAW TO FREE THE FILES?

  3. Mike f

    Larry, The thing you continue to ignore in your demented mind is the reason why we are dealing with this issue on a daily basis is because of that other idiot who currently sits behind the resolute desk. Just to make it clear, I do believe that anyone associated with Epstein who had illegal sex (or anyone not associated with Epstein for that matter) should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. However, your idiot on chief decided to make this a campaign issue (was Kamala implicated, resounding no). Figuring (apparently) that the stupid people that voted for him would forget about it after November’24. The idiot miscalculated, promised transparency, we have gotten anything but. And you and the rest of the right wing media keep trying to tell us ‘it’s not really a big deal’ in your attempts to keep voters behind the idiot in chief. You should be ashamed of putting out the bullshit you do, but those of us who read you regularly understand that is not part of who you are….

    • Landon

      Mike f as in fag I agree with you re illegal poon tang. So be sure to not molest your underaged relatives. Not saying that you do. Just don’t. Democrats seem to have the most uncle pervys in the family. Or so I’ve been told.

  4. 2WarAbnVet

    Can we be certain that “Frank Dander” is a human and not Marxist/Socialist bot?

    • 2WarABnVet

      Excuse me, “Danger”.

    • Frank danger

      As sure as you are not a nazi racist pig.

      There is not a single thing I said that signifies I am a socialist even. At least none YOU can find. You just brand anyone who disagrees with you a Marxist. You don’t even know what a Marxist is I gather.

      Have some balls and challenge my facts, opinions, or comments. Crickets so far, don’t expect you to do more than this spew.

  5. Big Al 45

    Get over yourself Frank, you have become monotonous. You have an obsession with both Epstein and Trump. Its now boring.

    • Harold blankenship

      Dunger here’s some good advice for you. Don’t try to match your stupidity with the great minds of MAGA. You can’t win. I can’t help but wonder where the democrats got so many stupid people

  6. frank danger

    Harold, let’s see you come up with anything to support what you just wrote. Come on son, strut your stuff, make me say “enough.” Let’s see you prove your words, prove your worth ——- I am betting you got nothing. Nada. Zip.

    ANYTHING.

    FYI: “great minds of MAGA” is an archetype oxymoron. I will let you look that up :>)

    Our top MAGA brain, what be in charge of our health safety just said: “”I’m not scared of a germ. I used to snort cocaine off of toilet seats,” said RFKjr.

    Last year, the nobel wanna be said Spain was a brics nation. He called Greenland ICEland six times in a row. Do you know where covfefe is? Or what it is? He claimed Biden’s transgenic research into mice was attempting to make transgender mice.

    I think the best was Trump on Canadian tariffs: “I mean who can blame if they made these great deals with the United States, took advantage of the United States on manufacturing, on just about everything – every aspect that you could imagine they took advantage of. I look at some of these agreements and I say who would ever sign a thing like this. The tariffs will go forward, yes. We’ll make up a lot of territory. Our country will be liquid and rich again.”

    It was Trump who signed “those things”. Yeah, MAGA brains. Dude, I ain’t stupid, I’ve been tested.

    • Paul goff

      Good point Dunger. And then there’s AOC, Pocahontas, the list goes on. But Trump is winning. That makes you stupid. I don’t care if you sniffed coke from your daughter’s ass crack. It wouldn’t surprise me.

  7. frank danger

    Some say I have TDS and obsessed with Trump, others say obsessed with Epstein. Stupid Harold says I am dumber than MAGA. I say think back to Biden, oh hell, he’s getting bashed still and your BDS is spanning admirations well after Biden is gone from the scene. Guy has cancer and you still are beating on him.

    I am obsessed with America, the rule of law, and sure, politics. I question those not focused on freeing the Epstein files after all these decades. Why do the Larry’s, Big AI’s, Blankenshitheads of the world want to sweep 1,000 survivors under the rug to protect a few, rich, white, old, men. Why do you bend a knee to do their bidding? This is America, we have a vision, try living up to it.

    While there is little evidence that Trump engaged in Epstein crimes, with a million entries of Trump’s name in the files, it appears they were certainly much closer than thought. Don’t you think transparency should rule the day?

    They were both very wealthy, connected men, and they competed on a real-estate deal in the early 2,000’s in Florida. Trump wanted it bad, a bidding war ensued. Trump won. Then he sold the property to a Russian oligarch for massive profit really pissing off Epstein.
    Trump did an interview saying that Epstein likes women, really likes them young. Just like the real estate, they competed over their prowess with women. Trump probably was repulsed, but given our culture at the time, he did not turn Epstein in. Just calling a cop is NOT turning Epstein in.

    The files Larry does not want you to see indicate a global network with many global scouts recruiting. He seems to have scouts in almost every country, not just a handful. Harold Stupidshit thinks anyone who desires to see the LAW to release the files upheld is stupid. He is a smart guy who wants to give pedophiles a break.

    Epstein even hired lawyers for visas to get them here. Work permits using his modelling agency to get them over here clearly not for modelling. Epstein then sent them to parties for sex. At these parties were the rich guys that Harold looks up to as really smart.

    Around 2006, Trump called the police chief and he said to the police chief, “Thank God you’re doing something about him, because . . . thank God—everybody knew this.” He also called Maxwell “evil.” Sure sounds like he knew in 2006. Isn’t’ it illegal not to turn Epstein in: he made the call but did not go public to the police. It raises some questions about how much Trump knew, it seems he knew the extent of Epstein’s crimes. If he knew, looks like he did, it certainly is immoral to let it continue for over a decade more. And if “everybody knew this, in Florida and NY circles,” yeah —- who are those bastards.

    While today’s FBI denies the call, it’s an interview that the police chief gave to the F.B.I. The FBI knew in 2006.

    I think people are going to look at this as 1) that he was somewhat of an informant for the police, in that he called them after Epstein’s case became public and suddenly admitted, “Wait a minute, I know he was doing this.” Or 2) that he was also one of those people who knew, and really didn’t go to the police before then to tell them until he needed an alibi. Harold Blankenship is that sort of guy.

    At this time, the cops were hearing rumblings but every time they went to investigate, the women at Epstein’s were of age. They didn’t find any evidence, yet if Trump knew that there were crimes being committed against underage girls, and he didn’t tell them ahead of time, that’s just wrong.

    J.K Brown, the Florida reporter breaking Epstein’s story said about the survivors: “Well, they’re disturbed and very upset because their names are still in there. I mean, the F.B.I. had only one job here, and that was to take out the victims’ names, and their names are sprinkled throughout these documents. So they’re quite irate about the fact that they have so many redactions of people—other people—but yet many of the victims’ names are still in these public documents.” How many crimes are we to allow against these survivors. Harold want to hide it all, don’t let any of it see the light of day. He is a pedo protector.

    We can admit the failures in the past. Bush failed, Obama failed, Biden failed. Trump 1.0 failed. Today, it’s Trump 2.0 that can rectify past sins. Trump can be the hero. They should pursue everybody. That’s all the victims want. They want a credible investigation. Where is it in the time of Trump 2.0. Starting with meeting his promise to make things transparent, make them public. So far, we are not seeing it and Trump 2.0 is in violation of the law that Trump 2.0 signed.

    We need an action report, we need to know they talked to survivors, we need to know they did or did not follow leads, we need to know who is innocent and who may not be allegedly. It’s not good enough to just slap a bow on it and say: “There’s no credible evidence, nothing to see here, nothing more to investigate.” But this case from the beginning has been a thorn in the Justice Department’s side, because the public doesn’t trust that they did what they were supposed to do—that the investigators were thorough. You can’t polish this turd, you must expose it, let the chips fall where they may.

    • Paul goff

      Dunger I know that you are hoping for proof that Trump got under aged poon tang with or without Epstein’s help. Not gonna happen. And yes, the files should be 100% released. But the focus should be on the guilty parties. Bill and Killery for example. But wait. They are accomplished liars. Maybe she tried out her strap on while visiting the island

  8. frank danger

    paul get-off-on-dung says ‘Good point Dunger. And then there’s AOC, Pocahontas, the list goes on. But Trump is winning. That makes you stupid. I don’t care if you sniffed coke from your daughter’s ass crack. It wouldn’t surprise me. Dunger I know that you are hoping for proof that Trump got under aged poon tang with or without Epstein’s help. Not gonna happen. And yes, the files should be 100% released. But the focus should be on the guilty parties. Bill and Killery for example. But wait. They are accomplished liars. Maybe she tried out her strap on while visiting the island.” As usual, Paul has his head up his ass. AOC, etc are worse so Trump is OK is not a cogent argument but a logical fallacy as is your way. I have no daughter and what kind of man makes that “joke.” I could care less who did or did not, what I said that you cannot fathom apparently is: “let the chips fall where they may.”

    What a see is a bunch of whining babies having little to say except childish taunts. At least, fractured as it is, Larry puts up a cogent argument. All the rest of you have is “dung” which you seem way overly fascinated by.

    And the beat goes on, and will never stop until all of the files see the light of day, redacted by law, legally.

    Howard Lutnick is a prime example of why these boys have heads firmly inserted in asses. In Larry’s, Harold’s, and Big Ais, world, Lutnick is innocent, he told us lies to cover his consorting with Epstein and that’s OK with them. When the files were unveiled, turns out Lutnick was lying through his teeth. Worse yet, if you believe Bondi, if you believe Blanche, they read all the files that easily prove Lutnick lies to Congress, he lies to America. And our top cops did nothing about it. Can you trust DOJ from the past four administrations with these files?

    Lutnick was a next-door neighbor in New York. He gets invited with his wife to Epstein’s mansion. He mentioned in an interview that he felt creepy when he got into the mansion. He said: “This is horrible. I don’t want anything to do with this man again.” He said this publicly. The files Larry does not want you to see showed that not only did Lutnick continue to communicate with Epstein after, but he even took his family, kids, nannies, to Epstein’s island. So you have to wonder, why he would take his kids to a place not exactly Disneyland. Not to mention Lutnick has more money than Epstein, he did not need to get a “free lunch.” He later goes in with Epstein on a major investment. Consorting much?

    Blanche, another incompetent Trump DOJ lawyer said, that it is not a crime to party with Jeffrey Epstein. I think Larry, Harold Blankenship, and Big AI agree. That’s may be factually incorrect. If Jeffrey Epstein was human-trafficking minors for these sex parties and if you show up and patronize the establishment at that party then you’re guilty, because patronizing is part of the federal sex-trafficking law. If you know Epstein is doing pedophilia as Trump did, Lutnick seems to, not reporting it is a crime.

    When the F.B.I. arrested Epstein in 2019, they put out a call. They wanted more victims to come forward. They put out this 800-number tip line for the F.B.I. The F.B.I. got hundreds of tips. There are a couple that mentioned Trump. The files Larry hides show that. Some are pretty crazy, eating babies and the like, but one involved a thirteen-year-old girl, supposedly giving Trump a bj, she bit him, and he slapped her. Should the public not be privy to what the FBI did with this tip list. What the F.B.I. and the Justice Department hasn’t said whether they followed up on all these tips, even the ones that had names attached. As we see the files Larry wants to hide, the tip list was mistakenly included, but now we see how many prominent people continued to engage with Epstein after—after—he was registered as a sex offender. These people deserve more protection than a Comey, a James, a Kelly? Epstein was convicted around 2008 for prostitution-with-a-minor, no amount of PR should absolve him, but then again, we have a felon for President and the President convinces Larry’s that there’s no there there when the facts show the opposite, aka Lutnick. How many more Lutnicks are in there?

    Sexual assault doesn’t discriminate based on political party. There are bad people on all sides here, it is not political. There was not one party or the other, it is mostly old, rich, white men. It’s about power. The kind of power that lets you sweep pedophilia under the rug in broad daylight. The power to convince the Larry’s of the world that transparency is wrong. It’s been decades. Failures abound. Trump 2.0 continues to fail on this currently operating outside the very law that Trump signed. Decades for the facts to disappear, decades these dudes have to perfect their alibies like Lutnick. After decades, Larry still wants to keep it under wraps and the LAW says it’s time for the public to see what power has kept from them for decades.

    Free the files, uphold the law, redact as LAWFULY instructed. Let the chips fall where they may.

    • Unle tom

      A girl bites Trump? Come on Dunger. Even a dumbass like you can do better than that. That’s not been mentioned. But it might be mentioned WHEN the commiecrats hire a bimbo to say that it’s true. Too late now. Our wonderful felon is out president. But they did produce a senile old hag to swear that Trump raped her. The lying bitch probably raped herself was a broom handle. Here’s a message to the commiecrats. DON’T try it again.MAGA patriots are tired of this shit.

  9. frank danger

    Dungle Tom: glad you read the piece, read again. Actually, as I wrote, the girl-bites-dog story is in the files,. As I said, it’s a tip phoned in to the FBI tip line. It has been mentioned, it was around 2010 during the time of Trump 1.0. My question was shouldn’t the public know the result of said tip investigation which is probably not true. But did they investigate even? And if not, why? As to the “lying bitch,” sorry but a jury of peers say she’s telling the truth and Trump, and you by extension, are lying. Or are you saying the rule of law does not apply to guys like Trump?

    When you say: “here’s a message to the commiecrats. DON’T try it again. MAGA patriots are tired of this shit.” Try what? Don’t matter, I could care less what you are tired of. I’ll do it twice. Take your threats of violence and stick em you know where. What are you going to do, use military lasers to shoot down our party balloons? Shoot us in the face? Or your preferred backshooting? You are losing big time in court every day. When you hold all the cards, you cannot indict a sub sandwich tossed in your face. Without a defense, you can’t incite six seditious conspirators that Trump called treasonous deserving death by hangin. You have been forced to de-surge in LA, Chicago, and now Minneapolis. The American people are tire of Trump, tired of you. And if you come armed to the polling place, you will be breaking the law in NJ and we still believe in the rule of law.

    I come here to learn, to discuss the issues, to find the truth. You are worthless in that endeavor. Beam me up Scotty, there’s no intelligent life in PBP MAGAland. Just the prophets of dung.

    • Uncle tom

      Dunger you don’t have to worry. Nobody is threatening you or your comrades Just don’t start any shit a there won’t be any

      • Seth

        Dunger it’s clear that you want to intimidate people by calling yourself “danger”. Dunger fits you perfectly. You’re full of dung. And the MAGA patriots aren’t out to harm anyone. You’re tired of us and Trump? Good. Because we aren’t going anywhere. It’s the left who are more violent. It’s dangerous to be a conservative Christian on most campuses today. It’s been reported recently that healthcare workers will withhold pain meds for people who they believe are MAGA. Here’s a word of warning that you assholes can take anyway you want. We know that you people want a civil war. Don’t even try it. You will lose. Let’s just bitch at each other and keep the blood off the streets.

  10. frank danger

    Sethlovesdung: Frank Danger is a name honoring Nick Danger, third eye, a comedy piece by FIresign Theatre. I am sorry if a comedy homage scares you.

    Actually my hope is that we neuter you in Congressional oversight and controlling your out-of-the-ballpark spending come January of 2027, post the November of 2026 mid-terms.

    Nobody like you anymore Seth. Your weak polling is only beat by the lower scores of Congress which is you as well. A recent poll counted more people think Bad Bunny is better for America than Trump. Trump’s polling is so bad that even with a giant uptick, the result will still suck. So far, voting in special elections reflects what America thinks of you and your policies. And when America wakes up to your deficits and spending, it can only get worse.

    What do you spend on: taking VZ and blowing up coke boats. deportation hell. Bombing GAZA, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, and Nigeria costs billions. We waste a lot of tax dollars on lots of court cases you launch or fight. What don’t you spend money on: social programs, infrastructure (remember the new airport promise, rebuilding the electric grid). You cancel more infrastructure projects aborting all the money already spent. Inflation still with us, prices still high, can’t even afford coffee anymore, that hurts.

    Once people realize they are not better off, the political worm turns and they vote to control da bums.

    FYI: you cannot prove the left is more violent because you lie. I thought is was the Jews that had to fear on campus, and now you lie and say it’s the Christians? Why have you forsaken the Jews? It’s a lie that you cannot prove. ” It’s been reported recently that healthcare workers will withhold pain meds for people who they believe are MAGA.” It’s just funny how afraid you are to the point of paranoia. You have a couple of highly energized anecdotes proving nothing and you have no statistical evidence. And it was anesthesia not pain meds for the magarat. A magarat dentist did hold back on the laughing gas for a liberal. That’s one for each side IF you are prone to scoring stupid things. For more anecdotal fun, I will match you with 140 cop beaters let go, many back in jail again for heinous crimes. Or the assassination of MN legislator and her husband by a magarat. Or shooting Good in the face from the side of the car OR the right-wing Prewitt back shooter. Or the Chicago citizen shot five times, ripped from ER for detention, called a domestic terrorist when ICE rammed HER with their vehicle. But those are just ancectdotes too, so I ask you to prove massive movements to withhold drugs from maga.

    Fuck your warnings, fuck Dungle Tom’s physical threats: the game is afoot and see you in November. Bring you little masked men with long guns to NJ. Go for it. Bunch of keyboard generals issuing dares and threats.