Harris & Walz Want to Cancel the Electoral College
Speaking to supporters during a political rally in California, Minnesota Governor and Vice Presidential candidate Tim Walz (D) advocated for the removal of the Electoral College. “I think all of us know the Electoral College needs to go,” said Walz. “We need a national popular vote, but that’s not the world we live in.”
In 2023, Walz signed an agreement that would force states to give their electoral votes to whichever candidate won the popular vote, regardless of how each state voted. The deal, known as the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, would take effect if supporters were able to earn pledges from states with at least 270 electoral votes.
As it stands, a presidential candidate must win a majority of the electoral votes cast – that means at least 270 if all 538 electors vote – to win the election. In most states, members of the electoral college (who are elected by popular vote) award their votes to the candidate chosen by that state’s voters. Thus, it is possible for a candidate to win the election even if they lose the popular vote (this is what happened in 2016 when Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump).
Eliminating the Electoral College is something Democrats routinely suggest after election defeats, especially in situations when their preferred candidate won the popular vote but lost the election.
“Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to destroy our country’s fundamental rights by ripping away our freedom of speech through censorship, taking away our Second Amendment rights, dismantling the Supreme Court through court-packing, and now through removing the Electoral College,” argues Trump campaign national press secretary, Karoline Leavitt. “Demolishing the Electoral College is every radical leftist’s dream because it will allow the coastal elites to determine our elections, silencing the voice of hardworking Americans.”
Though it may sound fair to hold a purely popular vote, the reverse is true. If we eliminate the Electoral College, the majority of election activity will be concentrated in large cities and thus Americans living in rural areas would be ignored.
The reason the Electoral College was created in the first place was to prevent larger states from wielding too much power over smaller states in elections. The current election system forces political candidates to visit states that have different interests (this is the “Republic” part of the system). Because most large cities lean to the Left, Democrats believe that holding a popular vote would give them an advantage. This is not true, however, because Republicans would shift their focus to larger cities and the elections would end up balancing out while ultimately being less representative of the country’s population.
Sources:
Tim Walz calls for elimination of Electoral College at California fundraiser, says ‘it needs to go’
The Electoral College Explained
Not long ago on PBP an article appeared explaining what the Electoral College was created for and why the EC is relevant still today Oddly for PBP the article appeared unbiased and factual.
Because Trump took the presidency with the EC vote and claims he won by a landslide. When the fact is Trump lost the popular vote. My preference was not realized with 2016’s EC vote. That was sufficient enough for me to hold EC suspect. Then the January 6th, 2021 event happened which was supposed to influence the EC vote outcome to benefit Trump illegally.
Apparently Trump received an elementary civics lesson with his surprise win in 2016. So, when 2020 came around Trump believed the most direct route to the White House happened more efficiently through the EC. Forcing the outcome on Jan 6th. 2021 seemed the right path the second time around. There was a great disagreement that arose with Trump’s efforts that day. Questions surrounding Trump’s involvement in the affair continue to this day.
This difficulty brought on by Trump’s scheme ultimately changed nothing, but he did show possible flaws in EC security. Although Republican’s see security issues exist with the present vote counting system, our present ballot count procedure runs flawlessly when left un-assaulted by questionable un-vetted characters acting on false information.
Elections in the USA are highly monitored secure and as correct as humanly possible. Our EC is an extra measure in the process dedicated to the safe change of administrations every four years. When one of the parties initiates actions beyond those prescribed by the Constitution and its particular articles on electing presidents. Why mess with legalities no matter the vocal minority’s excessive energy wanting their candidate’s victory? Our Demovracy depends on moderation in all things politics related.
Highly monitored and secure? Our election process has so many holes it in you could drive a buffalo herd through them. Ton’s of examples in PB archives.
Now here’s a real idiot weighing in. The bottom line is that the electoral college disenfranchises millions of voters. Candidates campaign in less than 10 states, because the rest of the states are already settled. If we want free and fair elections, we do away with the electoral college and allow majority rule. The current system means if you are not part of the majority in a given state (red or blue) you might as well stay home because your vote doesn’t matter..
AC – How can anyone manipulate the electoral college? I can see illegally winning the popular vote by manipulating the popular vote which is what the Democrats did and are trying to do for the November election that is not going to take place. Democrats are doing the illegal win by allowing undocumented illegal foreigners in to vote even if they are here only for one day. Trump did win the 2020 election by a landslide. He did not commit fraud either. this is being proven every day. Look at all the states that are reporting fraud in the 2020 election now after their investigations. They are admitting Trump was right. BTW, Trump is one man so how could he do that all by himself? You people blame one person when more can be involved. Perhaps you were in on the fraud? How much criminal work did you do for the 2020 election? Maybe you didn’t. By your reply above, you make yourself guilty. It is people like you that refuse to listen to true reason. You won’t research anything. You believe everything as long as it is underhanded and illegal. That is what we see by all of your replies and posts on this site. You did that all by yourself. It is what WE see.
Hmmm. As to “tons of examples in PB archives,” I say pick one that is valid and supported by verifiable evidence. Just one that would be a significant statistical “hole.”
As to how can anyone manipulate the EC? Well, a simple single-click Trump search yields:
*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot*
The fact is that as of April, 2024, 36 have been criminally indicted (one has had charges dropped), 10 face a civil lawsuit, and 14 have been subpoenaed by Congress as part of the January 6 investigation. There are 84 people who participated, not all indicted yet.
As of July, here is the case status: *https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/the-cases-against-fake-electors-and-where-they-stand/*
At least 30 of these schmucks are still in the electoral college. But wait, there’s more. Here a litany of potential Trump plans to fuck with the EC for 2024. *https://www.google.com/search?q=trump%20plan%20to%20change%20electoral%20college%20vote%20in%202024&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5*
Hope that helps clarify how Trump used the EC to rig the 2020 and potentially will try again in 2024.
Probably this is all fake news, weaponized court system, and the sky is green. Or maybe some jarhead in gitmo knows the answer.
As to “allowing undocumented illegal foreigners in to vote even if they are here only for one day,” prove it. You can’t. You won’t. Feckless and fact-less.
Stranger danger the Felon – have you worked at the polls? Did you destroy all of the Trumps ballots we have found out about? Are you complicit in the fraud? How exactly would you know even sowing that link above. The Democrats are absolute criminal in the fraud It will be shown next week (unless it is again delayed) when the disclosures come out. This doesn’t exonerate Republicans for other crimes either. Some of both parties have criminal backgrounds. The Senate, Congress and the political scene is a terrible mess. You don’t help the matter.
So the arrests made in Florida are not good enough for you?
Joe, are you talking about those 20 arrests of prior felons trying to illegally vote in the 2020 Presidential election?
Joe states there are tons of voter fraud examples and whips out “So the arrests made in Florida are not good enough for you?” Yes, there are, but in a different way based on the facts. Here are some facts as reported by various Florida newspapers.
In 2022, Ron DeSantis used Florida taxpayer dollars to create the Office of Election Crimes and Security after declaring Florida’s 2020 election was run smooth as a baby’s bottom. He asked for $2.4M to fund what he said he did not need, got $1.4m and asked for another $2.2M the next budget cycle. The Office is in its third year, has spent over $5M, cannot find workers, and has had meager, if any, results. Is wasting all that money not bad enough for you, Joe. You spent $5M and don’t even know what you got.
The first major bust was for 20 felons attempting to vote. I am guessing, since there’s not much more in FL for the past three years, this is the one Joe is obliquely referencing. The “sting” started when DeSantis issued these out-of-jail served-their-time sex offenders voter registration cards and then they tried to vote. Florida has a Chinese-menu approach to felony voters so, for example, Trump’s felony is votable, sex crimes are not. Luckily, Trump’s sex abuse was a civil judgement for digital rape, so Florida allows those sex crime folks to vote too. Trump’s crime in NY would be votable too, but that’s NY. But these poor schleps in Florida were issued voter cards by Desantis, and then arrested by DeSantis. Now, that’s a sting, a gaslight sting, because if I get a voter card from DeSantis, I am pretty sure I can vote. Since then, two of the suspects are still on the rolls and at least one was issued another voter ID card for a chance at a second arrest. Sweeet.
Two years later, 10 of the twenty pled out for little or no punishment, the other ten fight on. Joe, you paid over $1.4M for that and it changed NOTHING. It was just DeSantis PR. Sweeeeet.
Now, he can’t get people to work for this Office, has been understaffed for three years. As of August, 25% of positions were unfilled. I smell a slush fund. Probably skims the extra budget to buy guns for his personal police squad. Yeah, DeSantis has a personal police squad and, unlike most States, Ron’s are armed. They had troubles getting people too. But that’s another story of the weird.
As of August also, the DeSantis Vote Fraud Good Squad has logged 400 complaints and only 60 criminal referrals. No one knows if there are any winning prosecutions. Any. That’s the DeSantis mantra, need to know and you need to know only what he needs to tell you. Their last annual report issued in 2024, they reported getting 1,300 complaints of which less than 650 were referred for further investigation. The report noted that they think they know of 25 convictions with over 60 arrests throughout their 3 year existence for over $5M in taxpayer money or $200K per conviction. Now, you tell me, is 25 convictions over three years tons o fraud and good enough for you to spend $5M in Florida? And they “think” they know? Trust me, they know, and if it was a good number, you would know too.
DeSantis not only wastes Florida’s taxpayer dollars, but does it primarily for free advertising. Of the 20, many got let go, many got little to no punishment and 10 fight on to probably win. Along the way, DeSantis has lied, cheated and gamed the system so he could look good. First, he faked the nature of the crimes to refer sting arrests to the Office of Statewide Prosecutor directly under Attorney General Ashley Moody, the best prosecutors they got. The fake was making these into multi-jurisdictional crimes. Then, as DeSantis lost in court, he kept bumping the cases up to friendlier courts for a “sting” that he engineered by giving them voter cards to begin with. Talk about weaponization. I mean you’re a felon. Like Trump. You get a card, you get arrested for using said card, then the government says — no, you don’t get no stinking Broward County DA, you get the top gun for the entire State. And his entire staff resources. You’re a sex crime felon just out and the freaking Attorney General is gunning for you as the Governor’s special project. It’s like Assistant DA Jack in Law and Order gets bumped by DA Adam who then gets bumped by Albany because the Governor needs the exposure. Now, you just know how pissed they would be on that show. And now that show is Florida.
BOTTOM LINE: you spent over $5M to prove there is no significant voter fraud going on in all of Florida no matter how hard 18 dedicated workers trying to save their shitty jobs try hard as they might and no matter what legal strings DeSantis pulls.
I remember saying 2 years ago every illegal person entering this country will
be an automatic Democrat Vote hoping they are a get away or catch and release.
This way the Democrat’s can ASSINE their vote any were they feel it is needed.
Those people entering our country want nothing to do with voting as they wish to stay anonymous.
But the Democrat machine will use the numbers.
As I recall, Frank said ( it does not work that way )
Bull Shit!
Especially if there in no E C in place!