Trump’s actions in LA are neither unprecedented nor illegal
There they go again!!! Democrats are in another round of tonsorial arson. This time it has to do with President Trump taking over the California National Guard to address the anti-government riots in Los Angeles – and his later decision to send in the Marines. He is doing what any governor would do in similar circumstances – except Gavin Newsom, of course.
In their zeal to demonize Trump at every turn, Democrats and their media cronies are rewriting history and misinforming the public on a grand scale. They report as if Trump’s actions are unconstitutional and unprecedented – acts of an authoritarian, they say. Not so. Within my lifetime, six presidents – four Democrats and two Republicans – have used similar measures to quell unrest and restore law and order – and some for more dubious reasons.
In 1924, President Franklin Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066 to provide a legal rationale for using the United States military to round up Japanese American citizens and relocate them to concentration camps. In a dark moment, the FDR-controlled Supreme Court upheld that clearly unconstitutional action.
In anticipation of a national railway workers’ strike – and potential violence – in 1950, President Truman deployed the Army to seize and run the railroads, citing national security concerns.
President Eisenhower Federalized the Arkansas National Guard AND sent the Air Force’s 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, Arkansas, to restore order and enforce the law, while Democrats in the south and elsewhere raised a ruckus. It was done over he objection of the Governor. There was no national pushback against the actions. No media propaganda in support of the rioters. No question of authority or constitutionality. No biased media disinformation campaign.
In 1962, President Kennedy sent U.S. Marshals and federal troops to Mississippi to protect James Meredith’s enrollment in the University of Mississippi against protestors and rioters. In 1963, Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard to control protests and rioting against Blacks entering the University of Alabama. The only voiced opposition was from southern Democrat leaders, including the governors of the two states.
President Johnson invoked the Insurrection Act to send federal troops to Detroit, Michigan, during the 1967 riots, one of the most violent civil disturbances in U.S. history. He also deployed federal troops to Washington, D.C. in 1968 to quell riots in the aftermath of the assassination of Martin Luther King.
President H. W. Bush used the Insurrection Act to send federal troops to Los Angeles during the Rodney King riots in 1992. When rioting continued, Bush then sent in both Marine and Army units. Republican Governor Pete Wilson thanked Bush the support.
So much for the pulp fiction propaganda being spewed by Democrats and the left-wing media.
Trump is taking action for the same reasons most his predecessors took action – to enforce the rule-of-law and protect law abiding American citizens from violence and harm. And as was the case in the past, powerful leaders of the Democratic Party stand in opposition and defiance to Trump — and the rule-of-law. Democrats are standing with the illegal aliens and those illegally rioting on their behalf.
So, there ‘tis.
What’s it all about? At one level, Trump has always blamed illegal immigrants for many of our problems. May be true, probably isn’t. Many of these folks are here for a job, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Sound familiar? Many of these folks have been working here for years, pay taxes, have kids in school. Sound familiar? What have they done wrong that is against the law? They jumped the border. That’s a misdemeanor punishable by a small $50-$250 fine and up to 6 months in jail. That’s the penalty for the broken law that we are so knicker-knotted about. This is what you are spending billions to clean up, to ruin lives, to take solid workers out of our economy. Most are just people trying to get by, like you and I.
We used to say they take your jobs. At full employment, harder argument to make. Then we said evil gangs of human trafficker’s slave trading, drug running, murdering, raping. But really, all 14 million?
But Trump has a commitment, a job to do, and he has promised to rid us of 14,000,000 people in four years. What he can’t tell you is that he lied and that no one could ever deliver on that promise. Never could. 14 million in 4 years is 9,600 deportations a day. He’s at 2,000 arrests a day and banging heads to get to 3,000. That’s at 30% of the quota he needs.
He’s in trouble, he’s sold more than he can ever deliver, and he’s pressuring hard to do more. He’s asked people to go full shock and awe. Be cruel, be scary, be photogenic. Fear is your friend. Due process is your enemy. Don’t fear breaking the law to arrest folks. He pardons felons. Even cop beaters. It’s a simple math problem, if you are arresting 2,000 a day with this many agents, what does it take to get to 3,000? To 9,600? ICE budget is $10B — just make it $30B to get to your numbers. ICE detention budget is $3.4B; one might think $11B would get them to their numbers. They are asking for $45B. I would do that too as under pressure, everything needs to cost more, not less. These are huge numbers adding to the deficit as we deport tax paying workers out of our economy.
I saw one guy summing it up as follows: I was getting pizza from my favorite shop from my favorite pizza maker of ten years, my Thursday night friend. I would order, we would chit chat, and off with my pie I would go. This time, suddenly, unidentified masked men in full camo, barking commands, long guns pointed, no formal uniforms, masked, strange emblems, came in and dragged him into a black unmarked vehicle. I don’t know who they were and where he went. If I had to choose who the terrorist is, I would not choose the pizza makers. I feel that I am not in America anymore. Remember, the pizza maker MAY be guilty of a $250 misdemeanor with maybe 6 months of jail time. That’s what the fuss was about. Now this guy has lost his friend and there is a vacant pizza shop without a maker.
The pressure has escalated from arresting criminals to arresting dayworkers at Home Depot, or painting crews, landscaping crews, or restaurant kitchen staff. Somehow, ridding us of Home Depot day workers does not make me feel safer. The guy above needs to find a new favorite pizza shop. There is a vacant shop where once a thriving pizza economy boomed. Most important, our friends have been disappeared and it keeps getting worse.
You seem bothered about people being upset. I wonder why you are not upset? Do you not find the lack of due process unconstitutional? No warrants, no id, and black bag disappearing folks to death camp gulags sits OK with you? The problem is that the pressure is not stopping and the results are just starting. I would think stooped over, hobbled, shackled, shaven deportees on their way to a third-world, death-camp, gulag that we actually fund with our tax dollars would move you. Yeah, the pressure is so high that we pay for a place where people go in, but usually come out in a box. On our dime. And you are OK with that? Or being dropped off, penniless, not able to speak the language, in a war zone is OK with you?
As to why Trump hates the undocumented, who knows. But the impossible promise creating the performance pressure resulting in abandonment of due process, habeas corpus, the complete disregard of the rule of law and Constitution is real as is the cruel and unusual punishments it is creating is wrong. I am in America and I have seen this before.
Where are my Who albums? A little Jefferson Airplane perhaps…. Mau Mau (Amerikon) full volume. “Sign me up as a diplomat, my only office is the park……”
Dunger you don’t understand how it works. Illegals are trespassing. They can and should be arrested and deported. If they want to be here, why not come here legally? Suppose someone decides to camp in your yard without your consent or payment of rent or whatever. Should you be allowed to tell them to get off your lawn? But if you were to actually give them permission that’s fine. We have a permission process. It’s called a visa. We hear a lot of bullshit about day workers and lawn people. I take care of my own yard and do my own work. If not, I hire people who are here legally. Along with the workers who have been here for a while we also get the human traffickers and drug dealers. So if you’re so concerned about illegal wetbacks bring them to your house. You’re living proof that liberals are naturally stupid. People who are here legally are welcome. So why not? Unless they’re criminals they would be allowed to be here. But throwing rocks at the police? Seriously??? Do you want that shit in your country? Burning down the town? And maxipad waters cheering them on? Treat her like a fucking criminal too. That bitch is bat shit crazy. Like all liberals.
“Dunger you don’t understand how it works.”
BlankAsShit: you don’t understand how to converse. Calling me shit, and then telling me I don’t understand shit is not the icebreaker you think it is.
I have no problem with deporting the undocumented, the border jumpers. Might suggest a better way for those here forever, working good jobs, good family, pay taxes, good neighbors, but no issue deporting jumpers. The crime, however, is a misdemeanor worth a $50-$250 fine, maybe up to six months in the poky, but doubtful. Should be treated as such unless you see some more egregious crime than trespassing.
For any crime, I do have an issue with suspension of habeas corpus, due process, the rule of law and the Constitution. I am sure you do too, you just can’t see the issues with warrantless arrests, unidentified-heavily-armed militaristic police, perhaps military too, black bagging, or sending people, without a day in court, to a third world death-camp gulag where people walk in, but usually exit in a box. WE PAY FOR THIS; IT’S US NOW. Or sending them to a war zone without money and unable to speak the language. I am sorry — didn’t we fight a revolution to abolish cruel and unusual punishments?
Of course, people should immigrate correctly. Likewise, we should have sane immigration laws and policies too. That’s on all of us. For years, I have said if Congress just makes E-Verify the law of the land, then the undocumented worker problem goes away, literally overnight. Sure is a fuck of a lot cheaper than Trump’s billions-of-dollars circus. His makes for better TV though.
You say you hire legally. How do you even know? Do you pay taxes for those people, or just cash? Did you get paperwork or E-Verify each one? Or do you just hire white guys without an accent for your proof of citizenship? Come on, be real.
Nothing you are doing here fixes the problem while retaining the workers. NJ has a higher percentage of undocumented; I am sure they have worked for me. I do not ask, does not matter, I like good work, not paperwork. Yes, I am glad Trump has sealed the borders. I am not so glad at his stupid roundups of the good, bad, and ugly. It’s unnecessary, expensive, dangerous to them and us, and could be avoided with far better results if E-Verify was the law of the land. Trump knows this, but he likes what he calls great TV. And that includes propping him up like a tough guy, like his role models of Putin, Erdoğan, Un, and his new butt-buddy, the murderous Saudi Prince Salman. I hear we are even spending $140M to throw him an Army Parade like they have in Red Square, Moscow, to butter up Putin.
Throwing rocks, or any violence, against anyone, is wrong, not helpful to the cause, and should be prosecuted full bore. Yet police can take it; the guard and especially the Marines, not really trained to take it. They be trained to kill for it. Burning down the town? Get real, no one live in Central LA; the protest is a few blocks, and the cars were unmanned Waymo’s brought there to burn. While wrong, you gotta admit, the unmanned part is kinda clever. All of that crap is wrong, often not even protestors, not even necessarily from the left even, and does not help the cause, it hurts it. Sending in the guard and the Marines is almost just as bad. Not as bad, but bad, and almost as bad. So is Trump lying about his military tamping down the violence before they were even deported. Or Trump’s lamenting the LA deaths that did not occur.
Real story: family member works for the government and had to work the weekend so went in. The office window was suddenly shattered, his co-worker went to ER cut by glass shards, and he ended up driving himself in after being gassed by the misfired projectile. Twas Trump’s people that did the damage and now a number of folks are on paid leave.
Again, if if this is the right thing, it is most certainly the wrong way to do it. We live under the rule of law. Everyone has the right to due process. We jail our own, we do not export our criminals to death camps for profit. Or active war zones. If that’s stupid, well then, I stand with the Founders as being stupid.
The founders would laugh you to scorn. They would probably name a shit house after you. I can see the caption. “ come on in and take a Dunger “. So get off your high horse and see yourself the way others see you. You’re the kind that would have sided with the British during our founding.
Again, Hammon unleashes his vindictive vitriolic verdictive but cannot get it up to debate me on the facts, providing support and sources to his debate.
All this boy can do is hurl insults and he’s not even very good at that. Seems to have an obsession with feces, especially other peoples. Weird.
I spell my name: danger. I deal in facts. And you can’t even write an intelligent thought.
Debate you? What about ? You trying to convince me that conservatives are bad and liberals are good? Or better still how kumbreath Harris would have been better? Or whatever it is I know what’s right.
Like I said, you call me a liar, but you can’t prove it. You say I’m wrong, but you have no evidence. All you got is name calling and personal attacks.
You can’t even figure out what to debate on.
Chinese espionage rose 1000% on retardant joe’s watch. Remember the balloons flying across our country? Your guys allowed it. Along with the drones. Dunger.
Monty says: “Chinese espionage rose 1000% on retardant joe’s watch.”
Monty got this from Bill O’Reilly, the sex abused tarnished talking head, who had just gone to China and voice this incredible number without support or sources.
Biden had two balloon events on his watch: Trump had three, so far. My “guy” got handed the problem from your “guy.”
They have balloons, low cost. We have GEO, LEO, and hybrid GEO/LEO satellites that can read a postage stamp.
The other BOReilly comment about Chinese land purchases. Not legal in 26 states. And they owned less land in 2023 than 2022. It’s mostly agricultural and, so far, no tunnels found. US citizens cannot purchase land in China; Trump has not fixed that yet. However, for decades, US expats have leased land in China mostly creating sealed, gated, expat communities with cleaner everything. It’s a 70 year lease, so basically, owned.
Now, there have been many cases, check out WIKI on it, and while some northern european type Americans ensnared, mostly Chinese Americans and Chinese Nationals. Most of the cases are industrial/medical/science based, very few military or defense. And nothing based on land purchases or balloons.
So, Trump has 3, Biden 2, what is different about Trump in our defense of your issues since he returned to the oval.
Crickets? I am betting yes.
Reply comments on PBP on Larry Horist’s opinion pieces apparently are just more pissing into the wind. If readers’ opinions on Larry’s particular take on a subject he highlights in his writings have merit or not the reader and followers of PBP will never know. The author chooses not to engage in the conversation.
Therefore, Horist chooses a topic and proceeds to subjectively lampoon the subjects he maintains are implicit of some skullduggery related to his topic, and then with no further to do what follows is an open forum.
The first salvo is usually pertinent to Larry’s presentation article’s topic. The majority of the comments that follow the first can only be defended by the 1st AMENDMENT and its guarantee of free speech.
The content in these others appear targeted to disparage and malign the character and intelligence of the reader who dared to write from an opinion different from Mr, Horist’s.
In defense of Frank Danger and myself, there is the right being exercised that’ is available to all on American soil, regardless of of status. That being, the freedom to speak openly with few exceptions. The example given for an exception has been ones shouting “fire” in a packed theater.
From that example people may sanely infer when and where speaking words that most probably will initiate actions which cause harm to persons and or destruction of property. But, beyond that in a person to person context, our right to speak freely to another is bound by good and common sense rules for personal behavior on
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Several points from an opinion perspective :
It’s fruitless and a waste of time in intellectual exercise from this reader’ perspective to scan Horist’s articles for information that the right he identifies with remains as usual. Centered and unapologetically pro Trump and oblivious to the reality that Trump must be stopped before America suffers for decades from its losses incurred in just 6 months of Trump’s regime.
Also: opinions vary from far right to far left on the political ideology scale. Each person through history has had their own personal opinion. No two opinions are exactly alike, while opinions have been bunched into identities as to kinds labeled right, middle, or left. Within each kind can be found varying degrees of intensity and focus.
But, something importantly vital to the good health of our democratic republic is the mystery that ensures its success experienced in the life of every man, woman, and child. That mystery is the seemingly impossible responsibility that each and everyone of us must accept and carry within. That element which must be kept health and alive in order that democracy prevails is a respect for what should be obvious to all. That each person among us has within them an opinion singular and uniquely personal. Their opinion very likely does not match equally with our own. But, consistent with the 1st Amendment’s guarantee. Each of us is free to possess our own opinion, free to express that opinion, and the right to be free from reprisals that come from others whose opinions are in disagreement to the extreme and contentious kind.
A strong democratic society allows space and room for a broad range of opinions with the understanding that two or three major groupings will emerge each having a general opinion held in common. And, the two or three groups (parties) fairly amicably agree to disagree.
Where any problems between groups arise and amicable is disregarded. It’s then that democracy as defined is showing cracks and weakness results before ultimately breaking down into anarchy.
In the middle of strife an authoritarian strongman emerges in answer to pleas from one group for a leader to stabilize undemocratically the present satiation, not considering costs that are part of forfeiting freedoms that given up to the autocracy
Why does the ideological right wing want the governing of this country to be beneficial for them only and not be beneficial for the whole country.? Isn’t democracy designed and meant to be equally just and fair no matter who a person may identify as.
The autocratic “my way, or the highway” is diametrically opposite to democracy. But, as conservatives view what the think must be the way government should run and who is to run government, to many of us are left behind.
What exactly is the responsibility of government to we the people?
That the question the founders grappled with. Their answer is with us today. The Democratic Republic form of government is law and order defined, with equality for all.
It’s not working as set up by the founders. And that’s a big problem that hits 80% of Americans. Arguably, all Americans and world stability. We have a systemic cultural crisis, of which Trump is a toxic symptom. Curing symptoms in medicine is no cure for the underlying crisis problem. When a symptom is relieved , but the disease remains alive Then symptoms reappear and worse problems come and threaten.
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Trump isn’t harming the country. It’s the democrats who are trying to ignore the laws. But go ahead and take the word of Freak Dunger. And America will keep on winning.
Monty: like Ivsaid: crickets.
What has Trump done to stop the Chinese?
What has he done to stop the balloons from China when he had three on his first term.
What has he done to make us safer from China?
Somehow deporting a Mexican busboy does not make me feel safer from china
See you at No Kings Day.
Where real America will be.
Be there or be square
Monty, where?.
WTF is no king day? More propaganda from Marxist ass wipes. Just don’t throw anything at the police. Especially if Florida. LOL. And with Trump in charge we are safe from the Chinese. We would have been more at risk with kumbreath Harris. If you attend no king day be careful and stay hydrated. Stay out of trouble. Us MAGA folks don’t play.