LGBTQ People Buying Guns for Self-Defense in Trump’s America
With less than two weeks for President Trump to officially retake the White House, the irrational paranoia of leftists is rising again. The LGBTQ liberals have been buying guns lately to defend themselves against some hypothetical persecution in Trump’s America.
The past Sunday (January 5), leftist daily The Philadelphia Inquirer published a story titled “The queer people who are buying guns to prepare for Trump’s America.” The telltale title is followed by some details of the paranoid purchase of guns by the LGBTQ people who have been living in a fear bubble of becoming possible targets of oppression.
The story cited the National Liberal Gun Club to report that since the election victory of President Trump on November 5, it has received thousands of training requests of which about one-fourth have come from LGBTQ people. The Delaware Valley chapter of a gay gun group Pink Pistols, another source cited in the story, also confirmed to the paper that they received “a sudden flurry of emails inquiring about gun training.”
A number of LGBTQ people, quoted in the story, shared the same reason for their recent or first-time gun purchases and training in shooting guns – safety and self-defense – exactly what the conservatives have been advocating for decades. While the leftists seem finally to get it, their brains still are wired more for delusion than reality. The LGBTQ people cited in The Inquirer expressed one or other form of political paranoia as the reason for arming themselves. The statement of a gay man Matthew Thompson from New Jersey as included in the story represents this state of mind:
“We’re not looking to arm up and storm the Capitol. We just don’t want to be put in concentration camps.”
Concentration camps? Playing the victim card is nothing new to contemporary liberals, particularly those who see it all through the lens of their identity-based ideology. They see themselves as victims if they are a minority of some sort – black or any nonwhite race, female, non-Christian, LGBTQ, and others. Instead of acknowledging that good and bad people can be in any demographic, they single out the white Christian conservatives as the threat.
This paranoia on the left has been on the rise for years, and fueled by leftist political media sources that far outnumber conservative news outlets. The Independent, a leftist paper, reported in July 2022 about “hate crimes” stats in 2020:
This year, extremist groups have stormed or shut down Pride Month events, while Republican politicians have declared homosexuality “an abnormal lifestyle choice”, sought to ban gender transition treatments for under-18s, and embraced the idea that teaching children about LGBT+ life is a form of “grooming”.
The legitimate opposition of conservatives to the leftist agenda of promoting transgenderism in children is presented as a political campaign motivated by hate against LGBTQ people. On the contrary, the leftist media routinely ignores or twists stories of violence by LGBTQ people against others, mainly minors and women.
In the paranoid mental sphere of the left, the Second Amendment rights seem as politicized and threatening as any other fundamental rights as long as conservatives appeal to them. But when they embrace the same rights, their rationale is the old story of victimization. And they can always weave a thread to connect it to Trump.
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Uh oh, better get Macko….. but wait, there’s more…..
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Yeah, sounds spot on to me. I can resonate with their findings. Because I spell my name: danger.
Frank you and your friends don’t have to worry about Trump. It’s all bullshit. He has no ax to grind with them or you. And I applaud any law abiding citizens who choose to arm themselves for legal purposes. And Trump allowed two queers to marry in the Trump tower. So don’t worry about Trump. Come out of the closet anytime you want
I agree with what Jim said. Everyone should remember a gun is not a magic talisman for protection. Take a safety class and then a class on the defensive use of a handgun. You are responsible for every round that leaves your gun. Know your target AND what is behind it.
Your reasons may be silly in my mind, but the more responsible gun owners, the better.
Hey Danger, thanks for looking up PBP. I agree with their summary. And their summary justifies my Stop The Spin (STS) rating.
I’m really looking forward to the day when the Wild, Wild West we see on TV becomes reality, and mostly right-wing armed citizens start shooting it out amongst themselves, all over the country. As the economy starts to slide into oblivion, i expect to see anger rising, and shootouts becoming more commonplace.
I wonder how England manages to exist peacefully without all the guns America has?
Growing up in the 50’s it never occurred to any of us we needed guns for protection. Mass murder was rarely to be seen. Now it’s almost a daily event.
Violence and rape drive recorded crime to a new high in England and Wales. The number of recorded crimes is 12% higher than it was before the pandemic, according to official figures. (Sky News in October 2022)
Just because you don’t stay updated on international news doesn’t mean nothing is happening outside the US borders.
Congrats, WeeEEE The People, for being one of the few commentors, and authors, to bring ACTUAL facts to the table. Too bad you added the snark and didn’t take a 360 view. You know what they say, “snark cometh before the fall.”
WTP is correct, although funny how he picked 2022, the record year for UK/Ireland/Scotland post covid for criminal rebound plus budgets for police and courts hit hard so sort got it coming at them from many sides.
WTP should have looked, 2022 is the peak, it is down in 2023. *https://www.statista.com/statistics/1030625/crime-rate-uk/* As seen in the chart, UK crime began climbing in 2014, most certainly peaking in 2022 and then beginning to fall. Little change in 2023, but 3% drop in 2024.
But here’s the rub: Gutterman asked for a US/UK comparison which WTP overlooks. The answer there is, AI generated: “The US homicide rate is about six times higher than the UK’s. In 2021, the US had 6.81 homicides per 100,000 people, while the UK’s rate is less than half of the overall European rate. The US has a serious violent crime rate that’s three to seven times higher than the UK’s.”
As to why the difference, the AI answer spoke to diversity of our large mixed race population. I say a lot of it is the tool, the gun. It’s so much easier to point and click than stick, choke, punch, poison, blow up, etc. that if the tool is laying about everywhere, shit gonna happen. Our stats, by state, bear that out as well. Where there’s guns, there’s more crime, although who knows which came first, the gun or the crime?
Oh yeah, WTP: ”Just because you don’t stay updated on international and domestic news doesn’t mean nothing is happening inside the US borders.” Right back at ya son. Great job, good discussion, and yes, crime began climbing in UK in 2014, jumped after covid, is starting to come down, but who knows. BUT — even their highest rate is much lower than the gun-toting USofA and one difference is GUNS. Not that they are the cause, even though they are, but because it’s true. We have more guns. We have more crime. Not saying causal, or even connected, but there is a correlation. Again, nice to talk issues and facts. Thanks.
Thank you! Well we’re living in pretty snarky times so adding a little of it doesn’t hurt – unless one’s a snowflake (and it’s winter so higher chance there).
I am glad to see you have made some progress by actually looking up crime stats and then admitting its significant existence and steady rise for years. Gutterman (nice name) can learn a thing from it as he looks at his “how England manages to exist peacefully without all the guns America has?” question. The answer – England isn’t.
I’m afraid I’m not impressed with your attempted spin on explaining what Gutterman meant. His question is quite clear – England in peace while America has violence. Less crime does not mean peace and the same goes for your assumption “I say a lot of it is the tool, the gun” to attribute it to a single cause. Well, I say that what you say is wrong. The gun doesn’t go on its own not more than a knife or baseball bat does. So the cause is not the tool but the intention and will to use the tool.
To educate yourself on this line of reasoning, here’s a simple factual research based quote: “The Swiss have relatively high gun ownership but very low rates of homicide and virtually no mass shootings.” – Switzerland and the U.S. have similar gun ownership rates — Here’s why only the U.S. has a gun violence epidemic (PsyPost September 17, 2024).
Also on Numbeo’s crime index, the non-gun UK matches gun-bearing Switzerland by 48: 26 and rate of intentional homicide in UK (1.14) was way higher than Switzerland (0.59) according to United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data in 2023.
This effectively puts your simplistic “it’s the tool” argument to rest (RIP). Won’t you agree?
To revive our favorite quote: “Just because you don’t stay updated on international crime stats beyond a quick AI fumble doesn’t mean guns are the problems. The ignorance within the US borders accounts for much of it.”
Sweet dreams my friend. And if you still have any confusions or lacunas in your understanding, I’m here to help
WTP: good stuff. Yet “Thank you! Well we’re living in pretty snarky times so adding a little of it doesn’t hurt – unless one’s a snowflake (and it’s winter so higher chance there)” is meant to demean me as a person, there is little other purpose. It has nothing to do with your argument or facts, and, IMO, is certainly wrong as a description of me. Does not hurt, it’s just stupid talk. You lower yourself by attempting to gain superiority by demeaning others. You’re trying to effeminize as a snowflake does not hurt a bit; I just laugh as you admit your weak argument needs buttressing by a little personal attack.
Again, you were right that UK’ rates went up as you completely missed that the recent spike was covid related and more recently is dropping. Can’t own up to that either. Which turns your argument towards spin. You also missed, and seem to want to avoid, that the US has many times the UK crime rate and guns are featured in a lot of it. You state: “Less crime does not mean peace” which is both true and stupid at the same time. I mean, after all, what less of anything would ever mean peace? Try less crime means more peace. Feel better now?
“The gun doesn’t go on its own not more than a knife or baseball bat does. So the cause is not the tool but the intention and will to use the tool.” Yeah, you need a lot of will to pull a trigger. How many murderers start their defense of their actions by saying: “it was not my intention.” Actually, I do not agree with your simplistic conclusion commonly held by gunnies. It seems a cop out to cover your guilt for so many deaths, especially of so many children. The US has more guns, crime, higher murder rates, and we polish off our kids like no other developed nation on Earth. But don’t blame the gun. How about the new dodge: mental health? So what are you really saying? That the US citizenry is a bunch of loons with evil intentions? The gun is good, the people are really, really bad? Is that your belief as to why we top the list in gun deaths? Why guns kill more than cars? Why guns are the major vehicle for suicide. We are just loons with bad intentions? Worse than other developed nations?
You have to know that if we could magically erase all the guns from the US that the murder and suicide rates would go down. Less guns, less gun death, less death. Australia proved it so why not.
PART of the cause is indeed the gun. Always has been. I am a casual gun owner; I have legacy long guns and grew up hunting. Used many a tool for killing and I will say: the gun was the easiest. I used to believe your statement until I looked at child gun deaths. I got sick when I realized, at that time, almost all the parents were not being charged under the adage: “what a terrible tragedy, the parents have suffered so much….” Tragedy my ass, I say, lock those parents up, take all their money with fines. WTP: are you saying these kids had the intention to murder and maim and it’s their fault? Are you saying the difference in Switzerland’s gun deaths and US gun deaths is due to us beinga bat shit crazy people of bad intentions? Or is it they have a great economy given the WWII thefts of Jewish wealth, and they’re the banker of the world’s legal and illegal secret stashes. It ain’t the chocolate. But, in any country, you can tie crime to the economy; not the only cause but a major one.
Second, and the important one, you conveniently overlook the lethality index which shows how, indeed, the gun is more deadly than a knife or baseball bat. And today’s gun is much more deadly than the one’s the founders knew. And much more deadly starting with the civil war. The founders would not even recognize today’s personal artillery. But starting with guns, I am sure you know Dupey’s 1964 lethality index and the conclusions? From CNN: “In 1964, Dupuy developed the “Theoretical Lethality Index” (TLI), which calculated the lethal capacity of weapons across time. The TLI table showed how many persons a soldier with a weapon could theoretically kill in one hour. The study, which was prepared for the Advanced Tactics Project of the US Army Combat Developments Command, demonstrated that the TLI started increasing markedly from the mid-19th century due to improvements in range, rate of fire, accuracy, reliability and the lethality of the bullets. According to the study, a colonial soldier with an 18th century flintlock musket could kill 43 people in an hour, while a soldier in the Civil War era using a rifle with the Minie ball (a conoidal bullet adopted by the US Army in 1855) could kill 102 people in an hour. The TLI continued to rise dramatically in the late 19th century with the introduction of breech loading rifles, metal cartridges, magazines, and automatic fire machine guns. A soldier with a Springfield Model 1903 magazine rifle could kill 495 people per hour: more than a tenfold increase over the 18th century musket.” But wait, there’s more:
“Tragically, the real-world application of Dupuy’s TLI is on display with every modern mass shooting. For example, in Las Vegas in 2017, a single gunman was able to kill 58 people and injure more than 850 others after firing for just 10 minutes. This would have been physically impossible for a single shooter to do in 1791.
If the Constitution had been written in the 1880s instead of the 1780s, the Framers would have been much more aware of the pace of innovation. The Founders lived in an era when they could be forgiven for thinking that “a gun is a gun is a gun,” because – as the TLI shows – the killing power of the basic flintlock hadn’t changed in the previous 150 or so years. Dramatic changes occurred, however, during and after the Civil War.”
So, indeed the tool has increased lethality over the years and, intention aside, the tool is more efficient and effective in creating death that it ever has been. The men still kill, the tool kills more. And on the lethality index of all types of weapons, the gun reigns supreme. It is easier to use, more effective, you don’t even have to get up close and personal. Just point and click and bang, they are dead.
Find a lethality index that pits the gun against your knife or baseball bat. Which is more lethal? One test: you grab a bat and I will grab a Glock. Ready to test? Fact is the lethality index shows that the gun is one of our most deadly tools. Which is easiest and most effective tool to kill a guy? Gun? Poison? Bomb? Fists? In suicide, the gun completes the job much more effectively than other tools. Bombs, hard to make. Poison or pills, really easy to miss the mark. But guns — almost always get the job done. When Australia had a gun buyback, suicides dropped at a statistically significant level. So did deaths. Do you think they got better intentions by banning guns? Happier mental health by banning guns?
I will toss you a mulligan. You say Switzerland to which I say Australia. I say you don’t have to go that far, try Vermont. Fact is anything we talk about guns will have anomalies where what we are saying does not make sense. No people in Montana, but a really high gun death rate. Worse intentions in Montana? NJ – really densely populated. Trenton and Newark. Strong gun laws, lower gun death rates than Montana. Fact is to really know what’s going on here, how to explain the anomalies, we need huge statistical studies, the kind only our government could afford IF the NRA would let the CDC study the matter instead of lobbying against study. Until then, there is one truth you cannot deny: where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths. Where there are looser laws, more gun death. For Switzerland, they rank 35th as a country in homicides, not the best, but ten times better than us. They also register and must approve handguns and collection of more than ten guns. There is gun control. The Swiss also have a higher standard of living, which is also associated with a nation’s crime rate. France, Finland, Spain, many countries in Europe look similar to Switzerland with less guns but same crime rates. We look similar to war zones and third world countries. Dude, when it comes to guns and gun deaths, we suck. I just can’t believe as you do that we are just a country of loons with bad intentions. I also find it hard to believe you cannot see a problem. Oh yeah, the Swiss have a much higher ratio of long guns to hand guns which changes the dynamics too. Guess you missed that anomaly.
So sure, culture comes into play for us and for them. But we have 120 guns per capita. The Swiss have 27. Maybe it’s the gun after all.
Oh Frank, I didn’t mean to call you a snowflake. I kind of accidentally stepped on your tail, to say. But it was not meant for you – seems you put too much of yourself in everything. So take it easy bro.
Your attempt to spin the crime stats in favor of your anti-gun stance, I’m afraid, has failed again to make a case. Yes less crimes means more peace but to blame crime on guns fails the smell test. You need evidence and solid causal connection. So try something better.
I do adhere to my conviction: guns don’t go off by themselves. So they are not the problem, no more than cars killing so many daily are the problem. The problem is the hand that operates these things, and any machine/tool for that. So here too, you’ll need more than an impassioned rant to prove your position as valid.
I do want to underscore one point – which you missed in your long but mostly off-the-mark commentary: the distinction between good and bad gun use. When you say gun death, it sounds like including all cases where a gun was used to shoot someone to death. I can easily imagine many self-defense cases or law-enforcement shooting criminals to protect the people. So these are not bad gun deaths. It will be helpful to find stats of only those cases where a gun was used by a criminal to hurt or kill innocent people – in which case again it’s the criminal not the gun responsible for the hurt. 🙂
Child gun deaths are no worse than children falling off a table to death, children being hit by cars, children lighting a fire, swallowing some pills, and so on. Parenting comes with responsibility and responsible gun owners know it. I have many such people for friends and family and no such tragedy has happened in their lives. Wonder why?
The Las Vegas shooting of 2017 remains unresolved as officially they never found out why the guy would shoot. But one thing is clear – the guys gun was not firing off by itself. Also, the millions of gun owners in the country were not out and firing at others (or we would know). So take this as a classic case of your anomaly. You have less chance of dying by a mass shooting than by a car crash. Ever asked for a ban on cars? Me neither 🙂
You included a lot of commentary saying this about history and that about guns making it quicker to die. But you don’t make a point. Let me make it for you: guns never went off on their own to kill or hurt people. You know what did – PEOPLE – mentally disturbed, or vicious, or professional criminals whatever! And that is the point you haven’t refuted.
Thanks for tossing me that “mulligan” called Australia. Let’s compare it to my MULLIGAN Switzerland and see who stands. According to United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), the Intentional homicide counts, and rates per 100,000 inhabitants, stood at 0.85 in Australia in 2023 (226 cases). The same rate in Switzerland was recorded at 0.597 (53 cases) in the same year. I see a hell of a difference! And that literally puts the MULLIGAN in your court. Sorry Frank, you just have to give it another try.
CDC is not a credible source as it has been shown politically driven and working for the leftist ideology. And you say “France, Finland, Spain, many countries in Europe look similar to Switzerland with less guns but same crime rates.” I take that as your admission that you didn’t get it right about blaming guns for the violence and deaths. It’s always the other factors – the human factors.
So to wrap it up with one irrefutable fact: guns don’t kill people, other people do. Nice discussion and looking forward to more of your “Danger” thoughts Frank 🙂
WTP: But you did call me a name and it sure looks to be no accident and then you blame me for noticing which sort of doubles down on your attempt to demean instead of arguing the point with a modicum of decorum.
What “spin” did I put on the crime stats?
I do not blame crime on guns, those are your words. I said: more guns = more gun death = more death. I do not need causal connection to prove that fact. And it is a fact that IF you have more guns, there is more gun death. And more death.
And because we are precluded from using the vast funding needed to study, by law, through the efforts of the NRA lobbying, neither of us will have causal connection just like your Swiss study has none. The fact you feel CDC is leftist and I guess that science is political, with spin I guess, means you would not accept the findings anyway.
The point of the lethality indexes is that modern guns, and the effects, are light years away from the technology the founders wrote the amendment for. Their technology had not changed for 150 years, and their technology had a killing power over 100 times less than the modern weapon. The lethality index for all weapons clearly shows the gun is superior to the task of killing humans to other weapons. Therefore, it IS indeed the tool that simplifies, increases efficiency and effectiveness over other tools, including the ones you mentioned as viable equivalent alternatives.
Guns = easier, more efficient, and more effective tool over alternatives
More guns = more gun death = more death
You can hold these truths self-evident but the lethality means that tool-wise, the gun kills more, kills more easily, and is quite effective in it’s killing as compared to other alternatives. Yes, it requires a user-operator, but all tools of death do. And with the gun, it’s all so much easier and better. NOW – if things are easier. If things are more efficient and more effective, does not the superior tool lead to superior results.
Guns = easier, more efficient, and more effective tool over alternatives
More guns = more gun deaths = more death
You say “I do adhere to my conviction: guns don’t go off by themselves. So they are not the problem, no more than cars killing so many daily are the problem.” It’s good you recognize it’s a problem. And no, guns are a big part of the problem. Without guns, there would be less problem (see Australia statistics on gun buyback program). The car IS seen as a problem. That’s why we have seatbelts, anti-lock brakes, cameras, yada, yada, yada. We have done much work on both man (education) and machine. With guns, not so much work on safety, but lots of work on effectiveness.
And then we come back to the big takeaway you leave untouched. If you are correct, and it’s the person and you use Switzerland as your proof that more guns does not equal more gun death, then are you saying the US problem is we have more bad intentions, evil, and really stupid people who keep killing us at a rate ranking us 23rd where number 1 is the worst. Switzerland folks have better intentions than folks from the US? Over 65 countries do better that the US, meaning we are at the bottom of the first and worst quarter. So, not the worst, but given our stable economy, quite bad. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates*
Now, in terms of total homicide, we rate 65th . Over 130 countries do better, so about the same ratio. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate*
With gun murders, who is like us, the US. Who is in Mr. Gunny’s neighborhood. Well, ranking slightly better than us is Chile, Guatemala, Suriname, and Guyana. Yeah, Guyana is better than us… Worse that us, we have statistically next door, Bermuda, El Salvador, Paraguay, and the Dominican Republic. Feel proud of our accomplishment now? We murder, with the gun, just like these fine folks. Feeling a little third world and downtrodden? Go to Guyana to feel safer?
You reiterate: “The problem is the hand that operates these things, and any machine/tool for that” which is true. However, as the lethality indexes show, the hand using a gun has an easier time operating the tool, is more efficient, and is more effective. Again, remember the test. Want to take it? Of course not. Point and click, you lose.
FYI: the stats are for homicide. Your good guys shoot people too argument is moot.
For suicide rates, we rate 31 worst out of 183 countries, the vast majority having less guns. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate* Again, see Australia where, I admit there is pushback on the study, but *https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback* where “Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.” Even if you grain-o-salt it, there seems to be a connection to the tool and the tool’s efficiency and effectiveness. Just point n click and it’s all over. Pills, yechy, have to swallow, might be vomit, and chance of blowing it is much higher. Rope, yeah, easy as a gun. Poison — worse than pills. And so it goes.
FYI as an aside mulligan, I studied, researched, probed and begged for data showing good guys miss. Hard to find. Used to be impossible to find, but as time moves on, guns become more plentiful, the instances of good guys miss or, worse yet, good guys go bad, is more prevalent every day. I haven’t looked in a long time, but I am sure good guys who whip out guns rarely miss.
You say: “Child gun deaths are no worse than children falling off a table to death, children being hit by cars, children lighting a fire, swallowing some pills, and so on.” I say yes they are. The numbers are far higher. Guns kill more kids than cars; do kids use guns more than cars? In 2021, a banner year, we polished off 4,700 kids. The vast majority were by other kids. Most of the homicides were black; most of the suicides were white. Not often a kid pushes another off the table, slips his buddy a lethal dose of pills, or lights his buddy on fire. But kids shoot each other at a higher rate than death by car. And they ain’t driving the car, but often driving the gun.
“I have many such people for friends and family and no such tragedy has happened in their lives. Wonder why?” Anecdotal data does not a statistic make. You may just have boring friends.
FYI: I personally think the assault weapon ban is stupid. Regulate the feature, the attribute, not the model. For example, I like the recommendation to limit the clip/cartridge/mag size. Pick a number like 10 to 17. At least that might put a crimp in the body count for mass shootings.
Mass shootings, oh but you weave, are a different topic altogether and the pain is more about our national cultural fabric, not the body court or frequency of occurrence. But a separate topic or diversion for you. My only point was, without the MODERN tool, this death count would be lower and yes, the tool matters. Guns kill. Newer guns kill more efficiently and effectively.
Lastly, and the point you shy away from MY WEAVE, is where you state: “Let me make it for you: guns never went off on their own to kill or hurt people. You know what did – PEOPLE – mentally disturbed, or vicious, or professional criminals whatever! And that is the point you haven’t refuted.”
You are absolutely right, no refuting. BUT, you didn’t answer: “So what are you really saying? That the US citizenry is a bunch of loons with evil intentions? The gun is good, the people are really, really bad? Is that your belief as to why we top the list in gun deaths? Why guns kill more than cars? Why guns are the major vehicle for suicide. We are just loons with bad intentions? Worse than other developed nations?”
Crickets.
RE: the mulligans. Yup, and therein lies the rub. We will continue to go round robin as we toss our anomalies at each other trying to understand why the edges are so different than the average. Montana, no people, lots of gun deaths. Vermont, low gun control, few gun deaths. NJ – tough gun laws, very dense, urban, Newark, Trenton, and low gun deaths. The South, more good guys with guns, more gun deaths. Only a vast statistical study, much primary research will let us understand the edges compared to the average, and why.
But you admitted we have a problem. You say it’s the people. So, answer the question. Are we loonier, crazier, harboring more evil intentions than the Swiss? And does that skew to where the guns are, the Red loose gun law States? Or 65 other countries with better results for either gun deaths, suicides, kid deaths, and homicides, are they more “angelic” than our people?
No matter what, the evidence is clear. We suck when it comes to shooting each other. Either you blame a large part on the gun OR on the people, in which case you be calling us crazy with bad intentions. Personally, I think it’s more complex, but only a massive research effort will get us to the scientific and medical answers.
Why would you wish for gun violence? It’s true that democrats want it so they can push their agenda. But many liberals are arming themselves. And not just faggots And be aware that people in Mexico aren’t allowed to have guns except for small arms for people who live on farms ect. And don’t even think about carrying weapons concealed. Holy shit!!!! Someone forgot to tell the cartels
What an interesting and stupid article that co mingles sexual orientation with constitutional rights all wrapped in a bow of anti-anti-gun rhetoric. Of course LGBTQ folks buy guns for self protection just like Trump and Vance did, just like many GOP did, just like many elderly do. One might contend that maybe GOP gun owners are really in the closet LGBTQ folks who were just a little ahead of the gun ownership protection issue.
I guess if those LGBTQ folks would have answered that they purchased a gun for hunting, what would Dumpster have concluded? Or what if they had answered for target practice? What would Dumpster have concluded?
The most pitiful part of this article is that it totally misses the mark on why LGBTQ folks are buying guns. Just read the comments against them on PBP! Many MAGA on PBP have issued genocide and death threats against the LGBTQ community.
So the real story is how MAGA / GOP folks violent rhetoric against LGBTQ has caused the LGBTQ population to have to resort to gun ownership, something they probably did not want to do, in order to protect themselves. Instead of publishing something on the real story of GOP/MAGA threats and denouncing them, Dumpster uses the GOP rhetoric fueled purchases of guns by LGBTQ folks as a means of concluding that the GOP/MAGA must be right on the gun possession issue. This is kind of sick!!!
Is that so? What specific comments have issued genocidal threats against LGBTQ on PBP? Can you prove that the LGBTQ people buying guns out of safety concerns have been doing so specifically because they have been reading PBP? And interestingly it would seem that it’s you who are missing the mark here. The article shows the validation of conservative advocacy for gun ownership for safety/defense – something liberals have been opposing all along. And your feeling of sickness likely is the result of the realization that you have lost the long-standing leftist argument against gun ownership now that your own band is playing the same tune. Good news – liberals do wake up even if it’s a century late into the game. Maybe there’s some hope there for you too.
WTP, I have not lost anything. I am an Independent. The facts are the facts. Most of the hostility towards LGBTQ persons are in states that have anti-LGBTQ laws, which are mostly GOP states with high MAGA populations. There is so much evidence on this topic on the internet, you must literally live in some hole somewhere away from society to ask such dopey questions. See below.
Yes, threats from Trump on down against LGBTQ have been published in all sorts of media. Recently, reformed homosexual J.D. Vance has stated that the Trump administration will be the most anti-LGBTQ, see *https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/hate-on-the-ticket-trump-chooses-anti-lgbtq-maga-acolyte-jd-vance-for-vp-slot* so educate yourself.
From Congressman Quigley, there are more anti-LGBTQ riders in funding bills than ever before, when he says, “In all my years as a member of the Appropriations Committee, never before have I witnessed such blatant attacks on the LGBTQI+ community. Over the past year, I’ve sat through bill markups where my colleagues across the aisle have demonized these individuals simply for who they love or how they identify. MAGA Republicans have put dangerous policy riders in our funding bills – using LGBTQI+ individuals as pawns in their political games. It’s unsettling at best, dangerous at worst. This week, the House is voting on bills containing these poison pills. See more at *https://quigley.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/maga-republicans-continue-abuse-funding-bills-push-anti-lgbtq-agenda* so educate yourself.
Dept. of Homeland Security, “DHS said that the issues inspiring threats and calls of violence against the LGBTQIA+ community could lead to a rise of potential attacks against larger targets, such as public spaces and healthcare sites that may be linked to the community. Read more at *https://abcnews.go.com/US/threats-lgbtqia-community-intensifying-department-homeland-security/story?id=99338137* so educate yourself.
All you have to do is google anything like “rise in LGBTQ threats” etc. Or just check with your local police.
Amusing! Independent? Like Bernie Sanders is “independent” – full-blown leftist who runs in Democratic primaries and votes Democrats but puts the label independent on his door. Not to offend you but it’s just like these leftist athletes who slip into a woman’s dress and become a “woman.” So living in denial is fine if you choose it 🙂
Before answering your points, did you really say “reformed homosexual J.D. Vance”? Meaning you believe Vance was gay? Not that it matters if he was once but I’d like to see some evidence. I don’t know much about him and I haven’t seen any rumors either. He’s a happily married man for well over a decade at least. I don’t know better (or worse) as people’s personal lives are not my business.
Now for the press release from the Human Rights Campaign, it only shows a leftist rant against Vance with really no such anti-LGBTQ assertion in Vance’s own words that would show he is inciting violence against them. So that woman’s rhetoric against Vance/Trump means nothing. And it only shows that you need to do a better job arguing your case. I must add that what is seen anti-LGBTQ need not be what we (conservatives) deem so. There are things (values/traditions) that we believe are to be upheld against the wishes of the LGBTQ community and our advocacy for them does not mean we hate them for who they are but that we would rather not allow them to take over our lives values and traditions.
Quigley’s rhetoric is the same leftist propaganda to incite the LGBTQ people for political gains. The word discrimination is preposterously used by the left and is nothing more than a campaign slogan. You have to show actual cases of Republican “poison pills”. Again, because the left calls it discrimination doesn’t mean it is so. Prove by reason and examples.
DHS under Biden is just DHS under Obama – a leftist anti-American insider movement and not a real federal agency working for American safety. What they call “gender-affirming” care is left’s inhumane attacks on children and the slaughter of science and reason on the slab of their political agenda. No wonder ABC news made a story out of it. And it’s the same ABC that just last month agreed to pay Trump $15 million for political propaganda and falsities against him. So you may like to return with a better source.
Finally, I am not fan of Google as it is another anti-American platform with the mission to distort facts, manipulate search results according to the political-corporate agenda, and even spy on Americans for the big government. I do however suggest that you check with reliable sources to get better information and educate yourself on these issues. 🙂
Everything Frankster said about Punching Bag Post is just another slam against all the authors. If he were to reread his own words above, he would see as we do that all he said he is also guilty of, Bias, Far left propaganda. Did he even think that the source he alluded to was biased and totally lefty? Could very well be, but Frankster just has to have his lefty bias out there to sway all of us to go all the way left. He totally hates Conservatives an anyone on the right. So damned obvious. Frank is on a mission to destroy Conservatives and all on the right. He wants to destroy we other readers so we will leave him alone to post all by himself with help from two other totally lefty haters. He won’t allow anyone to have their say without trying to put the rest of us in Frank jail. He wants this site all for himself. I do think, after his horrible anti PBP slander, he must be removed permanently from this site. 9 more days until real law appears or starts to. Maybe he will be somewhere where he can’t produce anymore slams, slander, hate and narcissism. He still has a chance to treat all of us with readership respect that he will not allow us to have. These sites are supposed to be like debates. HE wants one-sided debates. He thinks we ALL are worthless, useless nonhumans. It’s all right out there in black and white. I do hope, though he will survive the immense shock that is coming to him, but I believe it will be too much for him to handle. These are my opinions only by what has transpired for a very long time that I can prove without a doubt. I wish him well, though no matter what. Also, Frank, yes, I do receive emails from PBP. 3 to 4 of them, all the stories published that you post on. You idiot. What you said yesterday was nonsense. You get those emails, too along with many others that do to. IF PBP is unreliable or liars then why has there been so many OTHER websites with much the same exact information that your source is wrong? Tell all of us about that! I take PBP over you any time! So – let’s see what garbage you slam back at me for being honest and truthful.
AF: you are a very rude person who must name call because she can’t toe the line and have a proper discussion with a modicum of decorum. This time she goes off on my bias, etc. when I was clear that: “I use https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ to check veracity of various sources: mine, yours, and ours. Seems generally reliable and ez to use. Punching Bag Post NOW appears there….. To sum up The Dumpster’s recent load, let’s go generalized from MB/FC:”
Yeah, take it up with Media Bias / Fact Check and accuse them of bias, being lefties, with your broad support data.
Or suggest another bias/fact checker that you life: if they even cover PBP, it will be similar.
Thanks for your response as to getting PBP emails that I wondered about. Sorry if my just asking a simple question makes me an idiot in your eyes. Whatever.
She wonders why all right-wing sites have the same info. Lack of resourcefulness perhaps? I don’t know. You tell us.
As to the rest, yes, these are your opinions. My opinion is they are weird. And you say you can prove them. But you haven’t and you can’t because, dear, they just ain’t right. One bubble off dead center as they say.
But I will have a nice day. And you keep reading Media Bias / Fact Check and blaming me for all the ills you make up from that reading.
Wonder what you will blame me for if I post Bible passages?
No, Frankie, YOU are rude. You do it all the time, right from the very first time I ever posted on this site. You are NOT the ONLY ONE that can do that. You taught all of us how to do that! You are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. When you stop, I will stop. Your dictatorship on this site is deplorable and you will NEVER OWN ME!
Your link above is biased just like you and you feed on that!
I may be weird (I don’t think I am), but yours are next door to criminal. You just will not listen to reason, period, even when you see it on your own sites. You want this country to go down. You want LGBTQ grooming. You want millions of immigrants with criminal backgrounds to enter America. You want those immigrants to storm apartments, homes, rape, pillage and destroy everything in their path. You want child trafficking. You want our criminal government to pay those criminal immigrants and not a cent for Americans who have lost everything from the lefts HAARP machines, if you are so in love with them, go join them where you belong! That is what the left is doing. That is what the left wants. You are part of them, Mr. Lefty. I want love, peace and abundance which you show you do not want. AND I want to fight, fight, fight for that peace, love and abundance in our Lord’s name which you do not want. Do not say I want to fight with guns or fists, either. There are other ways to fight like I do here. Get used to it. There is going to be more until you learn you cannot own any of us. Go spill your vomit on other sites and leave us alone with our good thoughts! If you have any bible training, remember this: your soul is marked.
I am not sure what you are saying AF.
Got examples?
Wow AF! More projection by you onto a mythical Frank Danger.
Very interesting that you want love and peace and will “fight fight fight” for it. And you invoke the name of the Lord. I believe if you check your bible (a non-Trump bible) the Lord actually said to “turn the other cheek.”, right??
AF, other writers may say a few things about Frank here and there but you are the only one that I know of on PBP that specifically focuses on eviscerating Frank Danger by projecting your personality onto him to manufacture a mythical Frank Danger. And then you whine that Frank Danger does not agree with your wild and often baseless claims.
Again, maybe you should consider some behavior modification. This would be a good therapy goal for you.
AF, why do you malign Frank Danger and call him names, say ugly things about him, even call for his removal, then turn around and wish him well? I have debated Frank many times on PBP. He participates in respectful fashion when there is something real and factual to debate. Perhaps you could start referencing links in your text so he and others can see the source of your facts, opinions and sometimes wild claims. You have been criticized by several for not listing your source to some of your wild claims. Maybe its time you change your behavior.
AF, Frank Danger did reference where he got his PBP information from. He even provided a link. I checked the link. As an Independent, I agree with the link where it says ” They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.” Larry does all of this and more, and you can see this in my comments on his articles which was why I came up with the Stop The Spin (STS) rating. Please read my comment on this article and see all that Larry did not tell the reader because it might damage Conservative / MAGA causes.
AF, Frank Danger is not on a mission to destroy Conservatives. His mission is truth and making sure both sides of the issue are vetted. Frank does not hate conservatives. He does dislike when Conservatives lie, spin, only tell half of the truth, and propose policy that is out of touch with the health and welfare of many Americans which are all forms of bias.
AF, your feeling about being in “Frank jail” is a psychological issue with you, not Frank. I do not know of anyone who feels as you say, and I have been on PBP for several years.
AF, your writings seem more like a projection of whom you are, not of who Frank Danger is.
Tom, want me to start in on you? Stay out of my posts.
Just telling you the truth AF. Sorry if you cannot handle it. And do not bother threatening me, it doesn’t work. Now make sure you are taking your meds and getting your therapy.