Is it Gridlock or Bipartisanship?
We hear a lot about the gridlock that will be coming to Congress in 2023.
On the surface, that makes sense. After all, the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, and the House is controlled by the Republicans. Since both houses must agree on legislation, the respective parties cancel out each other’s pet proposals.
As the theory goes, without the ability to pass one or the other legislative agendas, the only thing left is investigations. While Democrats are already whining about Republican chaired investigations in the House, they are also revving up their own investigations in the Senate. In view of what they have been doing for the past four years, it is the height of hypocrisy to be complaining if the GOP undertakes a few potentially damaging legislative inquiries.
But there is a very large silver lining in that cloud over Capitol Hill. Since neither party will have the power to jam their pet legislation down the throat of the other party – or down the throats of the American people — they will have to engage in good old fashion legislative horse trading. They will have to work in a bipartisan fashion on matters that can gain bipartisan support.
If you look beyond the daily news reports, you will discover that even as Democrats had control of both houses of Congress – and the White House – a lot of legislation was passed with bipartisan votes. More legislation that was passed with only Democrat support. Among the legislation garnering bipartisan support were the Infrastructure Bill and the Gay Marriage Bill – two pieces of legislation that most Americans support.
I would argue that the bipartisan legislation is probably the best product produced by Congress. It meant that both sides of the sharp political divide enabled the best interests of the public to be served in the bipartisan bills.
Everyone – including President Biden – has sung the praise of bipartisanship and promised to work in that direction. But for the most part, they only engage in it when they do not have absolute powers.
There are a lot of legislative proposals that will not get passed. And for the most part, it is better if they do not. It is better for the nation when partisan legislation is defeated or delayed until a greater consensus can be achieved.
Yes, there will be many investigations. That has been increasing over the years. But a lot of legislation is going to get passed on a bipartisan basis. And that is a good thing.
So, there ‘tis.
It is all BS; every bit of it! This country will be brought down no mater who is in office because that is the plan. The republican or the democrat. It does not matter because IMHO all of these politicians have been groomed and placed where they are. Most of them were groomed in secret societies. They have sold their souls and are in too deep to turn against the evil plans they were groomed to fulfill because if they do, someone they love could have a terrible accident, or they themselves will end up on the other side of the grass like the others who have tried to stop them before.
The democrats are right out in the open with their evil. The republicans give the illusion that they are the good guys trying to stop the evil democrats. That keeps everyone pitted against each other just the way the globalist planned it. But, amazingly, all the republicans do is talk us to death and the country continues to be destroyed by those terrible democrats that the republicans never seem to be able to stop. And, supposedly, most of the people just love the democrats and the destruction they are causing intentionally. It is all a farce! I don’t know anyone that loves what is going on except for the liberals on here and the only thing they do not like about it, is that the destruction is not happening fast enough.
Joe Biden could not get 20 people to show up at any of his rally’s, but somehow he got more votes than Obama and was installed as the president with the military surrounding DC. The choice of the people no longer matters.
I think we are going to see plandemic two here pretty soon, and they will try to put us back into the suffocation devices, lock us down, and try to force more poison injections if you want to work or be able to participate in society, all this to finish destroying the financial system and cause every one to become desperate. Then the same evil will rush in to save the day with their programmable all digital money that they can turn off if you are not a good little communist and of coarse cash will not be allowed any longer. Plus, the evil will be so nice to everyone and deposit what the liberals will perceive as free money in the form of universal basic income to keep them happy so they can sit on their gluteus maximus, while staying high, eating junk food made with cricket flower and playing video games to their hearts content. All while businesses cannot operate because they cannot get employees because who wants to go to work?
The liberals on here will say that I can’t prove these things are happening, but they cannot prove that it is not happening. I think that if a person looks around and uses their brain, it is all pretty easy to see. Do I want these things to happen? Absolutely not! I have a daughter and grand kids. Sadly, I don’t think it matters what we want any longer. The evil has the technology to digitally enslave us. The people are busy, not paying attention, and don’t see it happening or think what is happening is a good idea and are cheerleaders for the evil like the liberals on here and others in the hive mind. Once these people awaken from their liberal slumber and see that it is all gone, they will scratch their head and think WTF happened?
Then it will be too late Ethel, Third World here we are. No more UBI, no more free carrots of any kind. Just human suffering and misery on a grand scale.
Larry, I think there is a third possibility that seems always overlooked by most Americans – and lets call it “Collusion”. I differentiate collusion from bipartisanship because the later implies representatives from both sides agree to pass legislation that is good for the American people and the country at large. But collusion implies agreement between the sides for the purposes of hidden agendas. Let me give an example. I have a classmate friend (and GOP activist involved with the investigations) who is very involved in what is going on in AZ with what Kari Lake has called “botched election in Maricopa County”. What I am going to say has not come out in any news articles. I got it straight from the horse’s mouth in a one hours discussion with him. If you wish to check me on this, email me and I will give you his name and number – I am sure he would be happy to discuss with you, and I will be happy to arrange it.
I asked him what was going on in AZ? I told him and sent an article or two that I had read and how nuts it all seems to be. He told me the following: “Tom, the GOP is split out here. We have the old guard McCain faction and the new guard Trump aligned faction.” He went on to tell me that, ” the old guard has partnered with the liberal wing of the Democratic Party to keep the border open and illegals flowing into the country, and they are fine with this. ” I ask, ” why? ” He said, ” that for the Dem Left it is all about building voter base, and for the old guard McCain faction it is all about cheap labor.” I said, “so they are colluding to do something that is not in the best interest of Americans nor the country as a whole?” He said, “Yes. And we want to stop this.”
Larry, he told me much more and gave numerous examples which have not come out in any news articles or tv discussions. You would have a blast digging into this! I was horrified and shocked at some of the examples he gave. Basically, since the 2020 election where AZ was a hotbed of contention, nothing has changed. He said that “doing nothing since 2020 to fix the system allows the broken system to exist, allows for broken systems and tabulators, allows for discouraged voters to go home not having voted, all of this slop benefits the Dem Left and the old guard GOP – so they are all fine with it.” The one example he told me was that when GOP voters in 59% of the precincts voted, the printers were not operational and the tabulators (scan technology) was not working – and these voters were told to take their ballot to another voter location to scan. What the voters were not told was that they had to close out their session at their rightful precinct before going to the next precinct to get the ballot scanned. So when they arrived at the next precinct to scan their ballots they were told they had not closed out the former precinct and therefore their votes would be set aside. These voters became very frustrated because of the lines at each location and they had to get to work, so they just left! He also told me that some GOP voters had their zip codes of their addresses changed without notice so that when the AI verification software was applied, the zips did not match so those votes were thrown out. He also told me that they were using AI signature verification software that was not tested and had not been through any verification process, and, that the people running the software were untrained. He told me that this is why Mohave County took so long, they could not afford the verification software so they did all verification’s by hand. He also explained the mismatch in total voter ballots received versus the number of voters registered to vote in the county but it was complicated and I have forgotten it. And I did find one article on the AI software and how it was letting scribbles not even identifiable as signatures through to be counted. And this is why Kari Lake is in court – because her opponent, Hobbs was in charge of this whole election system. Basically the confusion and mayhem worked well for the colluders!
My point is, very little of this came out in any articles or on tv news. So it immediately brought to mind Rom Emmanuel’s saying, “Never let a good disaster go to waste!” I finally realized that there are ways of “rigging elections by disaster” where you let the system run as is, fully knowing that it will be a beneficial disaster! And then you make a plausible cover up story that the system worked as designed and the complainant is lying about the problems, and you refuse the complainant to see and review the ballots. And in this case, those in collusion, the old guard GOP and the Dem Left, get away with stealing an election from the voting public. And then as our wonderful VP has often sung, “The wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round.”
So based on all that I learned from my classmate friend, there are three ways of working in Washington and at state levels: Bipartisanship, Gridlock, and intra-party Collusion unknown to voters.
How do illegals build someones voter base?
Does your friend not know the number for Fox News?
I think Rick sums it up; you can’t prove it but we can’t disprove it. Some choose to believe that which can’t be proved. Others who can’t disprove that they can’t see evidence of, choose not to believe it.
Which camp would an Independent be in? Sounds like you believe your friend’s story.
Kari is fighting, you should help your friend and share with her. I gesr that referrals are all the rage today.
Good question Frank. Step one is to get them in any way you can. Step 2 is get them to claim asylum and get their cases approved by liberal activist judges which are numerous in AZ. Asylum seekers can apply for a green card after one year which comes with voting rights. Step 3 is to help them get their green cards so that they will feel obligated to vote for your party. Then simply harvest the ballots. Its really that simple!
Actually, there is quite a bit of hard core evidence of what happened in AZ. That is why the court has approved the hearing and has taken the case.
I believe the evidence my friend has put forth, and which the other side has not denied despite their opportunities to do so. The evidence corroborates his story as fact.
I am in the camp that stands for truth and fairness. I am in the camp that is willing to test all of the claims and examine the facts for the truth.
My friend has not asked for my help, and as I do not live in AZ I have nothing substantive to share other than a fair judgement of the possibility that Kari just may be correct, and should be heard. I would do the same thing for you my friend!
May I ask very respectfully why you fight so hard against getting all of the evidence on the table? Why do you give the aura of truth and fairness, yet when the opportunity to set the evidence of unfairness on the table, you rail against it?
We were talking about illegal aliens voting. Therefore, your step one is totally illogical if they can’t vote. And they cannot vote.
Your second point on the green card is wrong. If you have a green card, you cannot vote.
You can only vote if you’re a US citizen. And when you are seeking asylum, if you’re asylum is granted, you are still not a citizen.
You may ask. I am not against putting evidence on the table, I even suggested ways that you might get more evidence, such as taking it to Fox News. It would appear to me that if you can prove voter fraud in Arizona, there is a large audience of ready media moguls to take it as far as it would go. Look what they do for Hunter Biden’s laptop. And that won’t go anywhere except where Hunter Biden himself does not want to go. No one else will be tainted in that mess. So if her after Hunter Biden, imagine what they would do for voter fraud in Arizona. As the great prophet Mickey said in Rocky to “what are you waiting for, take this. “
I will look up the Arizona story, which I have not really read yet except to know that it’s a shit hole in terms of the pandemic right now being the worst state in the union for it. Probably something about voting… But I generally do not jump to believe in anecdotes. I prefer statistical data. But if you say is anecdotal is supported by evidence, and the Carrie Lee case, I will look.
However, your comment That one of the reasons you have a belief is that the other side is not denied it would actually mean that you are in ricks camp, where the fact that it cannot be disproved must make it through. You have to know that is false logic.
Actually Frank, I would encourage you to do some research. I do not watch FOX news, generally I watch CBS Streaming online. Ths is only about the fourth time I have told you this! IF your state allows green cards to vote, they may vote in state elections – they just cannot vote for POTUS. See below:
Can Green Card Holders Vote?
Generally, the answer to this question is no. Only U.S. citizens can vote. There are a few exceptions, however, which we can look at in more detail.
Voting in State and Local Elections
Certain states allow lawful permanent residents to vote in state and local elections. For example, green card holders and immigrants with work visas will be granted the right to vote in mayoral and other elections in New York City under the bill introduced in the City Council in January 2020. This bill gives almost 1 million New York City residents who are taxpayers in the city (but aren’t citizens) the right to vote.
If your state, therefore, allows green card holders to vote, you will, just like every other U.S. citizen over the age of 18, have the right to vote. But remember this is only in local and state elections that don’t require you to be a U.S. citizen. Make sure you know what your local rules are before registering. It may seem like a hassle, but it is well worth your while. You don’t want to get into unnecessary trouble and hinder your chances of becoming a U.S. citizen.
For more, see https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/04/can-green-card-holders-vote/
This site is more comprehensive. Many states allow green card holders to vote in local elections, and some in state elections such as attorney general, treasurer, etc. See at https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States
THUS YOUR STATEMENT “Your second point on the green card is wrong. If you have a green card, you cannot vote. IS VERY IN ERROR.
OK, I did a quick scan on Arizona, and the good news is Lake has sued the election officials so we will get all the data on the table in court soon. Based on the track record, I’m pretty sure if I was a betting man where I would place my bet.
Meanwhile, there are many allegations, protestations, and anecdotes. On the other side, the New York Times looked at 60 of the anecdotes, and while the people said, they had real issues in voting, most actually voted. Even with all the broken machines, bad printers, most people voted the New York Times found. At this point I don’t think anything can be proven either way. But that’s the data I see on the table today. Maybe you should read the times article and ask your friend if any of the people surveyed by the times were in his circle of stories.
Like I said, we can look at the court dates and that’s where the real data will hit the table. It’s amazing what perjury will do for getting the truth out. Or at least closer to the truth. .
Now my antidote comes from a relative in Tucson, but she is a liberal so you don’t want to hear that 😃
Remember, last time there was a failure 60 times in court, actually over 60 times. There was a half dozen recounts, including Arizona, all failures. I think I would take a pause before I jump on the wagon, a whole hog with your friends stories. History says at least exert some caution there.
Frank Stetson … Democrats are already legalizing non-citizen voting in local and school board elections. Also, you seemed to have missed the second part of the strategy. First, flood the communities with illegals and then grant amnesty — full rights of citizenship.
You are right Larry, I did miss what ballotpedia says “Fifteen municipalities across the country allowed noncitizens to vote in local elections as of January 2022. Eleven were located in Maryland, two were located in Vermont, one was New York City, and the other was San Francisco, California” which I gather are Democratic locales. And three states have banned it, perhaps Constitutionally.
I can’t find anything at the State Level to allow voting and I surmise this is mostly school board since that’s where illegals would have the most skin in the game. Of course, it’s really our, the taxpayer’s skin….
I can understand the intent since they have kids in our schools, but that’s just one more bugaboo in the patchwork quilt of laws around immigration. By law, illegals can send kids to schools. I understand that educated citizens make for a better society with less poverty, less crime, but as this site shows —- just being able to go to school and getting something out of it are two different things. Many people here seem pretty illiterate. But that assumes illegals kids are here for life and IMO, that’s wrong given our current laws. I think we should boot all illegals from our schools. This is the largest money drain they put on US citizens and until someone can prove they all pay property taxes, one way or another, they shouldn’t get a free ride for people I expect to leave before reaching adulthood. OR make it law that they can stay. Buy we shouldn’t have to take it both ways. It’s a bad economic choice for one thing.
I mean our school system alone is a great advantage for most people from countries south of the border.
If we can’t attack the entire immigration issue, loopholes and one-offs like this will continue to fester.
“Also, you seemed to have missed the second part of the strategy. First, flood the communities with illegals and then grant amnesty — full rights of citizenship.” There’s a strategy? Got proof? Or is it just more of the patchwork quilt of laws covering immigration? I’d ask you to refer me to a source, but I understand you guy are avoiding referrals right now 😘
You too suffer from mixed data comparisons as you conflate border apprehensions with illegals actually living in America. You have rightly called the current apprehensions a human catastrophe of human suffering and I have agreed wholeheartedly a number of times. But those are apprehensions and to conflate those to illegals living in America is not logical. Approved asylum seekers yes, but apprehensions no. Not to mention over 25% are repeats so you really can’t count the same person twice.
CIS, a right wing group, estimates 1/21- 10.22M, 1/22 – 11.35M, less than 10% increase. 2021 was a pandemic decrease. In 2019, the last year of Trump before the pandemic, the number was 11.48M which was down from the 11.75M in 2016. IOW, there are less illegal aliens living here in 2022 than in 2016.
So, how’s that community flooding strategy working, Larry? Remember, that was CIS, everyone else paints a more conservative picture, if you know what I mean…..
Like I said, a complex issue with many facets where most tend to compare apples and oranges in order to make lemonade.
Again, catastrophe check. sending illegals to school on local taxpayers dollar bad. apprehensions do not add illegals to our country, they send all away except valid asylum seekers.
hope that clarifies.
Frank Stetson … Sorry … no cigar. We allow folks apprehended and who request asylum into the country under our laws … but they are not fully legal until their case is adjudicated — and that can take years. Most do not qualify or do not attend their court hearings — but remain. They are illegals. Many are apprehended by the border patrol, but do not wait for processing and just move on. They are illegal. And their is the more than 1 million or more, who evade the border patrol. they are illegal. So … apprehension do add significantly to the population of illegals in the country plus the got-aways.
Larry, are you saying asylum seekers are illegal? Because legally that is just not true.
there are between 250k and 350k asylum seekers here most years with 600k in the early 90’s.
there is a cap on how many can enter the US, tiny under Trump, larger under Biden.
seekers and immigrants can become citizens in five years. that’s a really long game strategy you accuse democrats of playing, I’m impressed at our apparent strategic skills. thought we have trouble thinking four years out.
there is no logical or legal reason they become democrats when they become citizens. Both parties have the same shot.
yes, Virginia, again, green card holders can vote in a few state and local; mostly a handful of 15 dem cities which I posted here. Did you see it?. From Tom’s own support as he dinged me for saying only citizens can vote, which is true in all federal elections and the VAST majority of state/local: “Generally, the answer to this question is no. Only U.S. citizens can vote. There are a few exceptions, however, which we can look at in more detail.” FEW EXCEPTIONS. Tom’s citation.
Hispanics tend to vote democratic and it’s a 60/40 split (according to PEW, includes indys). Larry has penned a piece about the fantastic inroads repubs are making in increasing their split. So what’s the problem? Seems like democrats have a losing strategy here given the repubs gains. Since 2018, Repubs have gained, Dems have lost the Latino vote. We lost ten points and you gained ten points worth of Hispanic voters. Larry told us even, but I guess he forgets. Are you boys crying in your beer about doing something right? Is the oft perceived Dem strategy a total failure? Cuz in the five years it takes for this surge to become citizens, you could be at 50/50 split or better (as it should be, IMO. at least if you could get your platform and policy act together and quit shitting where you eat).
check out the Migration Policy Institute’s “Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States” article, it’s a good read. Leans left warning according to media bias.
From there: “Refugees and Asylum Seekers
How many refugees (includes asylum seekers) enter the United States each year, and where were they from?
Every year, the president in consultation with Congress sets the annual refugee admissions ceiling and allocations by region of origin. The Trump administration set the ceiling at 15,000 in FY 2021 and 18,000 in FY 2020, down from 30,000 in FY 2019 and the lowest since the resettlement program was formally created in 1980. The Biden administration subsequently revised the FY 2021 limit to 62,500 and doubled the number to 125,000 for FY 2022.
Due to the limited capacity of the resettlement program and COVID-19-related logistic challenges, only 11,411 refugees were resettled in the United States in FY 2021, amounting to 18 percent of the 62,500 allocated spaces for the year. By the end of February 2022, nearly 6,500 refugees arrived in the United States, out of the 125,000 allowed for FY 2022.”
And the last piece of fear mongering, Tom’s point (somewhere, in one his laments) about illegal alien’s being more prone to crime, from the Cato.org, again, a right-leaning entity: “The results are similar to our other work on illegal immigration and crime in Texas. In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐born Americans.”
So, where’s this great democratic strategy that is benefitting republicans, according to Larry, more and more in every election produced by a grand criminal immigrant force hell bent on doing no good? Or are they just people, voting and living and winning and losing? Almost like the rest of us, just less criminality…and probably a stronger work ethic to strive for the American dream?
FYI: it is still a catastrophe of human suffering on the border that is on Biden’s watch. But until we tackle the entire issue and quit looking at a piece here, another piece over there, it will be like squeezing a tube of Jello, fix one part and it will just squeeze out in another. And while this is on Biden’s watch, to solely blame Biden misreads 50 years of history.
Frank Stetson … Your long rebuttal is based on misreading my point. No… I am not saying asylum seekers are illegal. I am saying that once they do not follow through with the process by going to court … or if they remain in the country after being denied asylum … they are then illegals. Also, there are illegal if they are not eligible for asylum under American law. Wanting to improve one’s economic conditions is not a valid reason for asylum. If it were, America would have the largest population in the world. Also, we have limits on asylum — and those are being exceeded. Just asking for asylum is not enough to make the person legal.
That is certainly not what you said, but I now understand what you meant to say.
Isn’t that number really low? And aren’t there a lot of confusion snafu’s in that low number?
This is true, and most of that should be vetted and have them turned back if not applicable for asylum. I think they have an expedited process for rhat today.
Frank Stetson … Yes, the have an expedited process. According to the latest reports, it is a 4 year backlog.
Frank, I think you are missing the bigger picture of how the Democratic Party is using the immigration system to create voter base, voters for their party, and in the case of asylum, they are effectively shortening the process to citizenship by five years.
As an approved asylum case, you can get a green card (legal permanent resident) after one year of the date of your case approval. Non-asylum case immigrants must wait five years to apply for a green card.
Once you have a green card, you must wait five years to apply for citizenship.
So for an approved asylum case (which is what the Dem Party is claiming all of these millions of border refugees are) they will be fully eligible to vote in all elections in six years.
For a non-asylum immigrant, they will be fully eligible to vote in all elections after ten years.
So the Dem Party is using the immigration system and labeling all of these people as asylum cases, thus they will get a huge increase to their voter base after six years so they have accelerated by almost a factor of two, how fast they can build their base.
Also lets not forget that congressional seats are determined by population. Legal residents are counted as population for the determination of how many seats a state should have in upcoming congresses. California lost one seat this 2022 cycle but with lots of approved asylum cases that will hold that green card within a year once approved, California can gain that seat back! This influences elections, and the Dem party knows it! This is an example of how a party can use the immigration system to influence elections and dilute citizen votes.
Now to Larry’s point on local elections and school boards: There is a tremendous push to allow green card holders to vote in local and school board elections – owing to the logic that because they are tax payers they should have a right to decide who represents them. This logic is now creeping into state levels as well – expect this to grow. While in the past it has not gotten much traction, it is getting traction now. More and more, local governments are being pressured to allow green card holders to vote. If this spreads, all of those asylum seekers at the border who’s cases are approved will be able to shift election results / determine local / school board elections within a year after entry!!! Also included in local elections are judges, county commissioners, etc. who are involved in school boards, county budgets, justice, building permitting, zoning, and other local systems – all which make your county work.
Here is an informative site:
U.S. Citizenship and the Naturalization Process – USCIS
https://www.uscis.gov › files › document › guides
Frank Stetson .. I forgot to mention that in some states the issue migrants drivers licenses. That can be used for provisional voting … or plain old illegal registration. It is being done.
Not sure how a green card owner does that, where it occurs, and how often it occurs.
I agree it happens. If for no other reason than confusion will be my epitaph. Often, they just don’t know the law, and they have the license. Ask all those felons that FL allowed to vote, gave them voting papers, and then arrested them for a DeSantimonious moment of a perp walk?