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DeSantis Should Run For President

DeSantis Should Run For President

The number one reason for Florida Governor Ron DeSantis to run for President is that President Biden and the Democrats fear him more than any other potential candidate – including former President Trump.  We can know that from the constant drubbing DeSantis is getting from left-wing media.  

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough has made DeSantis his favorite attack target – even ahead of President Trump.  In a back-handed way, Scarborough and his clan are promoting Trump.  They want the former President to get the 2024 GOP nomination, figuring he is the easiest for Biden to beat.

Scarborough’s latest suggestion is for DeSantis to sit out the 2024 cycle.  Scarborough argues that whether it is Trump or Biden in the White House in 2025, DeSantis would have a clear shot as the GOP nomination in 2028, and an easier path to the presidency.  According to “Morning Joe,” he would not have to endure the withering attacks from Trump.

At this moment, DeSantis is the number one greatest threat to Trump’s return.  National polls have them running neck-and-neck among GOP voters.  That is very good news for DeSantis at this stage of the game.  It means that a guy who has never run a national race is running even to a guy who has been in the news for decades – and has dominated the national headlines for the past seven years.  All the other potential contenders are stuck in single digits.  That can change a lot in the next 21 months – and certainly will.

With DeSantis in the race, it is less likely that a field of Republican candidates would divide the anti-Trump vote so evenly as to allow Trump to win early primaries with a relatively small plurality – as he did in 2016.  It is also likely that DeSantis presence would deter a few of the potential contenders.

Not only is DeSantis competitive in the polls, but he is also popular with the major donors – and the small donors.  In a Trump/DeSantis contest, the other candidates may not be able to acquire the necessary funding.

There is a big question mark hanging over the Republican Party.  Where is the political center of gravity?  Are most Republican voters eager to return Trump to the Oval Office as a means of settling old scores? Or is the majority eager to move on to new and younger leadership – leaving Democrats with an old lineup.  It will not make much difference on issues since both DeSantis and Trump advance conservative policies.

The only way to answer that question is for DeSantis to run.

DeSantis’ two concerns should be getting into the ring too soon.  Early frontrunners do not have a great track record.  They tend to be targets of criticism from all the other contenders – and the voters get a little weary of them.  Of course, one could argue that Trump is the early leader – and will suffer the jinx.

DeSantis’s second concern is to not get into a barroom fight with Trump.  DeSantis is not the enemy of the Trump folks.  He is a solid conservative.  He will cut into the so-called Trump base.  But he can attract Republican voters who are not committed – or opposed — to Trump.  I know the press puts Trump’s “base” at 30 to 40 percent.  I disagree.  In a Trump/DeSantis race, I would put Trump’s locked-in vote at no more than 15 percent.

Some suggest that DeSantis is not ready for prime time.  He is not a good campaigner – lacks charisma.  They say he is not well known around the country.

I do not understand the last comment.  He is extremely well known among Republican voters across the nation.  Otherwise, his polling numbers would not be as good as they are.  As the chief contender against Trump, he would have almost universal name recognition among voters.

DeSantis may not be as bombastic and flamboyant as Trump, but that could be more of an asset than a liability. Bombast and Flamboyancy are going out of style.

As I have written in the past … if you go by Trump’s and Biden’s ages, DeSantis could run in any presidential election up to and including 2054.  But real opportunity usually comes only once – and this seems to be DeSantis’ year.  (I would have said more absolutely that “opportunity comes only once,” but Biden is the exception to the rule.)

If I were DeSantis, I would keep them guessing for now – but I would be planning my entrance into the center ring of American politics later this year.

So, there ‘tis.

About The Author

Larry Horist

So, there ‘tis… The opinions, perspectives and analyses of businessman, conservative writer and political strategist Larry Horist. Larry has an extensive background in economics and public policy. For more than 40 years, he ran his own Chicago based consulting firm. His clients included such conservative icons as Steve Forbes and Milton Friedman. He has served as a consultant to the Nixon White House and travelled the country as a spokesman for President Reagan’s economic reforms. Larry professional emphasis has been on civil rights and education. He was consultant to both the Chicago and the Detroit boards of education, the Educational Choice Foundation, the Chicago Teachers Academy and the Chicago Academy for the Performing Arts. Larry has testified as an expert witness before numerous legislative bodies, including the U. S. Congress, and has lectured at colleges and universities, including Harvard, Northwestern and DePaul. He served as Executive Director of the City Club of Chicago, where he led a successful two-year campaign to save the historic Chicago Theatre from the wrecking ball. Larry has been a guest on hundreds of public affairs talk shows, and hosted his own program, “Chicago In Sight,” on WIND radio. An award-winning debater, his insightful and sometimes controversial commentaries have appeared on the editorial pages of newspapers across the nation. He is praised by audiences for his style, substance and sense of humor. Larry retired from his consulting business to devote his time to writing. His books include a humorous look at collecting, “The Acrapulators’ Guide”, and a more serious history of the Democratic Party’s role in de facto institutional racism, “Who Put Blacks in That PLACE? -- The Long Sad History of the Democratic Party’s Oppression of Black Americans ... to This Day”. Larry currently lives in Boca Raton, Florida.

53 Comments

  1. frank stetson

    Seems pretty much spot on Captain Obvious.

    Sure, Biden beats Trump, DeSantis beats Biden, but can DeSantis beat Trump? He should, but why not play rope a dope and see if Mr. Retribution can find anymore feet to shoot himself in. Or whether Halley and company can self-implode.

    “Never wrestle with a pig because you’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.” GB Shaw. DeSantis might as well wait and let others fight the pig.

    DeSantis is not well known nationally; getting more so every day.

    His Florida moves are literally all national moves; he is focused on the national spotlight and Florida loves it. Guess they can’t wait….

    And yes, Democrats would much rather face the devil they know, the devil who is becoming even more unhinged everyday, the devil who is destroying YOUR party and he says it now. He even looks under stress now.

    DeSantis is an unknown entity on the national stage. As I have noted, he IS the real deal, he is a believer, he does have most, if not all, of the checkboxes marked, and he has few, if any, scandals — thus far. So yeah, seems prudent to be more afraid of his candidacy, especially if he comes up against old man Biden. (IMO, Biden is an idiot not to have named a successor in a salute to one-term-in-style George Washington —- that’s why I voted for him, ooops)

    BUT — the jury is still out and I think DeSantis control of Florida will yield benefits to the Democrats. His recent publicity stunts mostly are feckless gestures for PR. His covid handling is extremely suspect. I think there’s food for thought there. Some of his appointments are scandals in themselves. So, the longer he waits, the longer it takes to really vet this guy out. Seems a smart move to wait to announce and let the candidacy fires burn a bit more fuel, stay away from Trump, and get in when the time is right. He can do that, court the large donors at the same time, and get a lot less dirty in a street fight with Trump and others.

    DeSantis skipping CPAC is a really brave move. Turned out to be the right one. Kudos, damn it :>)

    • Tom

      Frank, first, thank you for promoting Larry to Captain, he deserves to be an officer in the blog-o-sphere!! Good job!!! Both of you had enjoyable posts! Keep up the good work!

      Yes, if Larry is Captain Obvious, then you sure seem in this response to be bucking for at least LT. Obvious!! Some of your comments are close to lib heresy! I love it!!!

      So Biden scammed you with that one term lie too??? Do not feel bad, I was scammed too.

      I believe you are correct that it was smart for DeSantis to skip CPAC. Seems like at least 20% of CPAC attenders also skipped Trump’s speech. Report is empty seats were about 20%. I am sure there are reasons for this!

      I agree, I did not really like DeSantis handling of Covid but do agree with his handling of “woke” and Disney. He will get the Evangelicals for sure!

      And yes, Trump does seem to be very broody lately, even is starting to have that broody Hillary look on his face. As an Independent/Unaffiliated, I like that!!!!

      • larry Horist

        Tom … I am surprised that you like Frank’s childish Trump-like insult — although you seem to put a different spin on it. In that game, he would be Major Obsessive. LOL As far as DeSantis being Trump without the pugnacious and paranoid personality, is that really all bad. Most of Trump’s positions and policies were pretty good. And in truth, DeSantis not Trump. Trying to make that comparison is just Democrat and media bs. The folks in Florida tended to like DeSantis’ handling of Covid — and we should know. His leadership is arguably responsible for the magnitude and scope of the GOP victory in Florida. The Democratic Party was all but wiped out as a statewide political party.

        • frank stetson

          I am so glad I could bring out Larry’s inner child.

          Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, thank you Larry.

          His covid response is mixed, deep divides over covid response, not sure of current status.

          In Aug of 21, with the surge: “With Florida currently struggling with one of the highest rates of COVID-19 in the country, slightly more than half of voters (51 percent) disapprove of Governor Ron DeSantis’ handling of the response to the coronavirus, while 46 percent approve, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University poll of registered voters in Florida released today. However, this is an improvement from July 2020, when 57 percent of voters disapproved and 38 percent approved.” *https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3818*

          In April of 22, “The survey also said 60% of the respondents were either “very” or “somewhat satisfied” with the way the state handled the pandemic. In addition, in comparing Florida’s response to COVID-19 to other states, 32% said Florida has done “as well” and 36% said the state did “better.” *https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics-issues/2022-04-18/usf-survey-floridians-opinions-covid19-ukraine-biden-desantis*

          Point is they are still somewhat mixed BUT if they feel Florida has done as well or better than other states, they are eating the DeSantimonious press machine and not the facts. He has effectively put a shroud over his State’s statistics, changing the very death toll of the disease to fit his needs.

          *https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-florida-desantis-spin-ss-prem-20201203-tyjmgkos6bd7vo7vnripqliany-htmlstory.html*

          At one point DeSanctimonious tweeted “we had one COVID death in Florida yesterday . . yes you read that right. One.” In fact, on the day in question, there were 47 deaths.” Voters should realize that he will bring this same news blackout to the Oval Office as well.

          *https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-audit-of-covid-19-data-finds-gaps-in-number-of-cases-deaths-reported/*

          Or “For 105 days, COVID’s death toll in Florida counties went missing” *https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/10/17/for-105-days-covids-death-toll-in-florida-counties-went-missing/*

          This is just tip of the iceberg stuff. DeSantimonious’ choice for Florida Surgeon General is a vaccine denier who has spread covid misinformation. This man should not even be in practice. From WIKI: “Around early 2020, Ladapo began to write op-eds for The Wall Street Journal on the emerging COVID-19 pandemic, notwithstanding a lack of specialization in infectious diseases, and gained prominence as a skeptic against the mainstream consensus about modalities of prevention and treatment. In these columns, Ladapo promoted unproven treatments including hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, questioned the safety of vaccines, and opposed lockdown and mask mandates deriving from his “experience in treating COVID-19 patients at University of California, Los Angeles.” However, UCLA’s staff scheduling roster did not have him assigned to treat any COVID-19 patients, and several of his colleagues rejected that he had treated any COVID-19 patient. Later that year, Ladapo signed the Great Barrington Declaration, which argued for reaching COVID-19 herd immunity by the fringe notion of “focused protection”, where the less vulnerable people were allowed to be infected.”

          Again, tip of iceberg level stuff and when the light of day summarizes what really happened in Florida, I expect the poll numbers on covid response to be lower. Today, Florida’s stats are not released with the same frequency and detail as other states; they don’t report racial breakdowns for example. As DeSantimonious’ record is scrutinized, this and more will undoubtedly come to light.

          Floridians do love this guy, but I think his covid response will knock some gild off that lily.

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson … Again you are pushing disinformation. Not sure when your “date in question was,” but yesterday Florida did not have a single Covid death. virtually zero since March 1st, and zero so far today. –and there were only 21 across the nation yesterday. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Only four states (and a veterans facility) experienced any Covid deaths yesterday. At best you are dredging up old data. At worse you are intentionally misinforming. Maybe a bit of both. And where is your source? Double standard???

          • Tom

            Frank, you may be right about DeSantis shroud over the news facts, but here is one set of Disney facts he cannot shroud because these facts come from the market!!! America does not seem to like “woke” and LGBTQ stuff in their kid videos! Seems like the market agrees with DeSantis on this one!

            Disney already announced over 7,000 layoffs in the company, caused by over $5B in losses after the company tried to hike up the price of a Disney+ subscription, resulting in over 2.4 million people unsubscribing from the streaming service.

            I guess you will be holding on to that woke stock for a little while longer! 🙂

          • frank stetson

            Larry, again you push again, this time it’s “disinformation” when you have proven NONE. Except for a question…. Look it up; there are plenty of confirming link in the post. Really does not matter when, tis the thought that counts. But no disinformation and I think your accusation without merit, much less pretending it’s a usual experience, is a low blow not worthy of your talents.

            ” yesterday Florida did not have a single Covid death. virtually zero since March 1st, and zero so far today. –and there were only 21 across the nation yesterday.” No wonder you think he’s doing a swell job. Looks good to me to. If only it were the truth.

            As to the nation — we are doing better, but probably about 200 deaths a day, down from 300 a week or two ago, which we maintained for months. The States and CDC have changed the reporting intervals so often the day after data is pretty much bogus. For example, using your data base mentioned, it’s a good one, and working back from March 6, On March 6th you have your 21, then going back day by day, it’s 25, 35, 88, 133, 208, 187, 149, 121, 140, 175, 242, 355 on Feb 22. Looks like it’s over eh…. However, Feb 22’s first post was well under 100, it has crept up since then as will your 21 from 3/6.

            Plus, no reporting on the week end so Sat is pretty good, but sunday and monday are generally off.

            With the new CDC monitoring intervals, the possibility exists to be in a total surge for 6 days without even knowing it. By definition.

            For three weeks my county had the lowest Rt and daily case count in all of NJ. However, we had 10.2 hospital admissions where 10.0 is the break point to go from low to moderate. Since the hospital stat is weekly, we sat there for seven days at moderate when it was intuitively obvious we were low. They have put a governor on the data readouts.

            Same with deaths — not sure how far back they will post, but they most certainly will update that 21 and since Monday looks like a weekend, it will climb.

            HOWEVER — my take is we were around 300 per day, and we could be finally approaching 200 a day, not 21.

            No, I did not misinform; you rashly accused without substantiation.

            And you missed the point which was DeSantis has been lying about Florida’s covid status for over a year. I have shown how in the links above but I warn: that is just the tip of the iceberg. IMO.

            As of Feb, FL was 13th in the US in covid death rates: *https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/*

            Hey, I’m just saying he’s gonna get muddier on this the more they look.

            Here’s part of his response to covid based on a March 4 date:

            Total Cases: third place in the nation, NJ thanks you.
            Cases last seven days: fourth place in the nation, you’re slipping
            Total Deaths: third place in the nation, I though NJ would never be passed
            Death is last seven days: second place in the nation, you guys must try harder.

            Those are not the result of a top drawer response. The fact that you don’t have a clue should tell you something about your Governor’s communications on this subject.

            Guess what —- it gets worse in the nursing home. Don’t believe that DeSantctimonious lie either.

            *https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-by-the-numbers-5083007*

            Sorry Larry but I think you were factually way off base by picking a low number that is bound to change in a few days, much less falsely accusing me, again, of disinformation. Not even misinformation, but disinformation. Low, very low. Should be beneath your professional standards. You need to lower the emotions.

          • frank stetson

            Tom, you might need to look under the hood when you say “America does not seem to like “woke” and LGBTQ stuff in their kid videos! Seems like the market agrees with DeSantis on this one! Disney already announced over 7,000 layoffs in the company, caused by over $5B in losses after the company tried to hike up the price of a Disney+ subscription, resulting in over 2.4 million people unsubscribing from the streaming service.”
            They had almost 15% market share after only a year, been as high as 20%. Netflix, the pig, has close to 50% and talk about subscriber loss…..

            First, D+ is just part of Disney, perhaps around 10%, but a rising star. Of course they lose money, they opened in a very overcrowded market with many other new players, in 2019. You are correct they lost subs, but not that many from US. First loss since 2019 in a overcrowded market they helped make. They lost 2.4M total subs with a 3.8M sub loss in India. They gained 200K subs in US wiseguy. HULU and ESPN+ both gained too.

            They beat revenue by a bit, but still taking losses, thus 7K streamers will go. Disney has over 220,000 employees, I am guessing most streamers will find a Disney home. It’s a small world after all.

            Disney+ is a bold approach to streaming with perhaps more original content than any other streamer. And yes, it is woke. When I saw my first Disney girl-on-girl kiss, I was taken aback. But they are very proper in their approach and hey, whatever floats thy boat as long as no harm, then no foul. However, if John Stamos snuggles Zac Efron, I may rethink that. Disney Plus pricing is amazingly low to garner market share and they recently raised price, a royal piss off to the internet crowd. At the same time lowered it for current subscribers IF they took a year or more. WOW — it was a deal, but one has to figure margins are tight. I watch more Disney for less than ever and will for some time in the future. It was really savvy marketing and 200K more US subscribers tells you it did not fail to produce.

            NTW, market shakeout is coming. When you seen the “bundles” form, you know merger is next and then downsizing. This market is overcrowded and overheated. Disney Plus should be a survivor.

            BUT — TOM — wtf are you even talking about. I own Disney and Disney grew revenues 8% 1Q. Diluted earnings brought eps down from 1.06 to .99, not good. I don’t have to look at the books to know it’s more cost than it is revenue — a better problem to work. Disney is mostly the parks, worldwide, that’s where the money is currently.

            It will take time for Disney to recover but DeSantis has little to do with it. Tis the pandemic still. My story for Disney is funny. At the end of 2021 I divested and went fixed assets expecting Trump’s deficits to hurt, add inflation, recession, you know the drill. In the beginning of 2022, sensing a covid-free summer, I bought some restaurant mutuals, Disney, and a commodity mutual (for inflation). And a few others. But they were pensive moves, Disney is a growth stock and I am a value player mostly. Restaurant’s are volatile. Of course after I bought they crashed quickly due to pandemic and due to missed D+ expectations and market angst over streaming in general. Then DeSantis surely did not help. But I doubled down on Disney, so pensive not so pensive anymore, bought the bottom price and now cost-average the two buys for a fairly low price. It is not throw-away money but it won’t sink my ship and Disney ain’t going nowhere. Even Florida loves them again, DeSantis hand-picked their overseers, they have all their tax incentives back, only the rubes feel bad now. DeSantis may even love Disney again. It will take time to bring the stock up, but that’s OK, my fixed assets are coming along at 4%-8%, fixed. I sleep well at night with nothing to invest until 2h23 at this point. This Spring will tell the tale. Covid down = Disney up.

            Oh yeah, I bought a huge amount of defense at the same time, then Putin did my bidding, and now I am up 25% on that one. Not to mention tax sheltered so I pay no tax on profit. Sweeet. My Disney losses are covered, if it ever comes to that. Get a few more Ukraine bumps and I might make salary :>) Although I really hate making money that way. Just can’t help myself though, I go green but that don’t mean nothing but money.

            Thanks for thinking of me, even if in a funny sort of way about my losing money……

          • larry Horist

            Framk Stetson. You are incorrigible. I even give you the link the the official site that counts the Covid cases — the site that most reporters rely on. And and you still try to sell your disinformation. I have you the latest figures which track with DeSantis recent comment. You give me some outrageously inaccurate figures from God knows when. You accuse MY figures as being wrong. If you checked the link, you would know my figures were correct –and yet you claim mine are wrong. That counts as a provable lie. According to the official figures, there were 21 deaths from Covid yesterday. I did not make that up. So far today,, there are 44 Covid Deaths in America — none inf Florida, as was the case yesterday. You must be looking at world figures. Yesterday, there were 351 deaths in the world from Covid. The day before it was 296 worldwide. Two days ago, the US figure was 25. None in Florida. Did you not check the link I provided … or having problems comprehending? Please check the link before you double down on your disinformation.

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson … You brag about Disney’s 1st Q earning being up. At the same time you note that they let 7000 folks go. The reason they did that was to improve earnings — but it does not mean that the current picture is good for Disney. Remember how profits soared at the beginning of the 2008 recession as companies laid off workers? And I find your frequent bragging about how much money you make is rather tacky. You seem to have a bit of that Trump belief that money vindicates and empowers credibility. Not so. And you intimate that you are doing well in stocks that offend your principles. Profit over principle. What does that say about you?

          • Frank stetson

            Fyi; think your 21 is over 60 and climbing.

            Welcome to the nrw world of covid counting.

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson … Where you getting your numbers. The OFFICIAL Covid death count for March 7 is 112 across the United States and zero in Florida. The daily count may jump around a bit, but there is no significant upward trend. Why do you refuse to check it out. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/. Oh … I know. You have a secret source. Put away you tinfoil hat and open your eyes.

          • Frank stetson

            Think your 21 is now clearing 90….

          • frank stetson

            “You brag about Disney’s 1st Q earning being up.”

            Actually perhaps I was not clear. Disney+ took a loss, let 7K go; they are a subsidiary of Disney which grew revenues 8% but still had high costs resulting in an eps loss. My conclusion, IMO, was “It will take time for Disney to recover but DeSantis has little to do with it.”

            Frankly, I think it funny that I bought Disney expecting a glorious year, right before anther covid surge, a DeSantis dumping, and stockwise, a disaster. I think that’s funny, and not exactly bragging. If you call that bragging, that’s your emotional side coming out again.

            What principle are you talking about: defending one’s nation? Investing in protecting one’s nation? And you are picking on me because I don’t invest in ESG alone? Sure, I would rather make money in areas where people don’t die, you got a problem with that? Seems you are really invested in my goings on, you are even offering your own psychoanalysis, wrong of course, but a trait you constantly harangue others for.

            And when it comes to bragging —– we read your bio…..only the picture brings the reader back to ground zero……. :>)

        • Tom

          Larry, I like it! Major Obsessive, it sings!! For a moment I thought you might do a pun kind of title and make it Major Pain! LOL Remember that movie or show!

          • Frank stetson

            Speaking of obsessed, Larry’s 21 is now 97.

            I would say is 21 was pure disinformation and there’s nothing online that would say anything different.

            But as I told him, right before, you said, I was lying again, the database changes and earlier statistics are updated. This is based on the current reporting out of the states and the CDC.

            As I noted earlier, the new number is currently 97 and will probably change again Larry.

            However, we are clearly below 300 today, Perhaps even under 200 today which is great news as we come into the warmer season.

            However, the one factor that is often overlooked is that the death rate is way too high still, three or four, maybe even five times as high as a seasonal flu, and now it consists mostly of those over 65 with much highr rates over 74. we are polishing off our old folks at a unprecedented rate as we blithely go on our way trying to ignore it all.

            I am pretty sure that Florida’s response for Covid for old folks is just as bad as their response for everyone else, if not worse. It’s just if they don’t tell anyone. Death rates, vaccination rates, and even employees not having to be vaccinated, all pretty bad in Florida. I am pretty sure.

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson … I have led you to the official site. Anyone reading your stuff can go and see the official numbers — as opposed to your every changing numbers without showing the link to a source. When you are sure, you are often wrong … and when you are pretty sure, you are always wrong. So … enough of bickering over a subject that is not even related to the commentary. geez!

          • Frank stetson

            Mr. Horist: when it cones to covid stats, I am pretty good at all the sources.

            I use world meters, amongst others, and have been repoing out the number from March 6, where you came up with the number be in 21 which I’m sure is accurate for the total number of deaths at that point in time for the 6th.

            At current, the site shows 117 deaths for March 6. You could’ve looked this up anytime and seen that a number was different than the 21 you posted. Not that there was anything wrong with that, the number changes. But apparently in your zeal to call me names, you couldn’t be bothered to look it up. How else could you look like a complete blithering idiot. Well played Madam.

            The death numbers have done this since the CDC has changed their metrics and states changed reporting intervals. I tried to explain that to you, but apparently it did not resonate. Additionally, some states have change the rules. For example, Florida has changed not only when they report but also how they report. Most states over report deaths due to Covid due to the fact that they really do not want cororners messing with Covid bodies if they don’t have to. That’s one reason. Florida has also changed the timing to report which changes the numbers.

            The end result is that the number that world meters post generally change for a number of days. I’m not sure the end date of the interval, but it may be a week or more.

            That is what’s happening to your number 21 for March 6 that today, on March 9, is represented as 117 for March 6th now and may still rise again tonight given that the state reporting is not done for the day.

            Often FL is just greyed out in many databases for not being up to date in reporting. Transparency is your state’s hobgoblin.

            I see no need for you to denigrate and demean me as if I’m doing something evil with the numbers. I explained to you from day one that the numbers change. That’s just the way it is now Larry.

            If u like worldmeters, try covid act now. They estimate all stats including rT on a county basis. That’s some freaky math. Don’t go to the panhandle, little dicey there for a bit now.

            .

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson … No cigar even for looooong long bragging screed. The daily death toll in Florida has not exceed or even neared 100 since February 23, 2022. And that includes all those deaths that are latter added to a daily count. Youi are not good with data — especially if you try to spin to to fit you failing argument. Remember … figures do not lie … but liars figure. I will stick with my credible source against your mishmash of dubious numbers.

          • Frank stetson

            Larry, it may be long, but I don’t think that really qualifies as a screed. I think you just like using the word.

            We were talking about the Covid death numbers as reported by world meters specifically, the national number for all of the US. You included world meters correctly saying they were 21 deaths on March 6. I told you that the numbers change after the first submission and then reported all the different changes along the way. I believe as of yesterday your 21 had turned into 117. Nothing I said was incorrect. Only your viewpoint of what I said was incorrect.

            In terms of the Florida number that you are pivoting to today, sure I’m sure that’s right. I never looked at the Florida number, I never commented on the Florida number. I’m not sure why you pivot since it had nothing to do with the world meters discussion on the changing national number that we’ve been going back-and-forth on. And as I said, on that number, I was totally correct and your condemnation of me for being incorrect is totally wrong.

            In terms of Florida, I did not look at your number, I did not come in on your number. I did provide some Florida statistics based on totals , and I believe the past few months. They are noted above, and they are absolutely correct, and they prove the point that the DeSantis response to Covid was one of the worst in the nation.

            Next, and just because you’re such a bimbo on numbers, I will review the Florida response within the nursing homes. Or do you call them funeral homes today…

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson (Captain Tenacious Mendacious) ……. SCREEED ALEERT!!! SCREED ALERT!!!

          • Frank stetson

            I see that Larry has dropped all pretense and is showing his real self.

            Still no facts, no sources, no support.

            Just name calling. So, there ‘tis the real Larry.

      • frank stetson

        lib heresy? unlike the Republican party of closed minds and small ideas, bullet-point solutions, black and white logic, mostly white, very white, where the only diversity of thought is hard right or harder right…..Democrats are a cacophony of ideas, a rainbow of diversity, where I am empowered as the Clintonian Democrat, Bill not Hill, that I am. That’s old school thinking now though as the progressives get more numerous everyday if, for not other reason, to counter the assholes on the far right.

        The days of the moderates are gone. So many Republican moderates said nothing during Trump pretty much sealing that fate and, most certainly, DeSantctimonious will not change that trend.

        Not sure Biden ever said one term, but I sure felt it and yeah, we’re not alone. I think it really shows how power corrupts, and how the Presidency is now the ultimate power. Sigh. I mean wtf is he after, he gets all the gold stars, he did it all, wtf, does he think the second term will be better; does he not think we can live without him? That’s Trump, should not be Biden. He had the chance to be Washingtonian and to potential seal-the-deal for 8 more years. Mayor Pete is green, but a smarter and more adroit person you can’t find. Not to mention having more notches on the checkboxes than even DeSantimonious. Instead, Biden put him in the corner. I can see putting Harris in the penalty box, well played Madam, but why dump on Pete? Why not mentor and promote someone? I am sorry his kid sucks, but come on man, there are other young talents in our country, in the Democratic party, wtf is your problem man….

        The party has to want Biden, the people would rather see someone younger, perhaps in Biden’s form, but not Biden. Gee, maybe Hunter —- just kidding. But when Don Jr. runs, oh my…. And he will if only to pardon Dad…. :>)

        FYI: DeSantis only got PR for Disney. The results were nada. Disney keeps all the perks, he names some folks to a feckless board, and life goes on, unchanged. Disney remain unpunished for having the gall to use free speech to express their ideas. I expect my stock will rebound in time, they are a good company doing relatively good things, most times. Besides, I love the parks being one of a few people to spend the night at the apex of the Dolphin. Really creepy by the way. My kids “engineered” the monorail; they think I am really cool. Have a number of other incredible Disney memories, but don’t want to show my corporate flag…..privacy is a good thing.

        But I think if you look at the DeSantis results on Disney, you will conclude: great press and little progress. As is the case with most DeSantis “stunts” lately. Voter fraud — they all will get off, he just wasted taxpayer dollars, millions. Taming Texas illegal immigrants by slamming Martha’s Vineyard, yeah — that’s a winner. Don’t say gay, gotta love a hater. And more. Mostly feckless attempts, many fall on their own volition, and they will catch up to him. He is the golden boy right now though. No one can lay a glove on him. It’s early.

        And yes, Trumpy look grumpy. He had a sheen and it was Maryland, not that warm. Getting that “deer in the headlights” sort of look as if about to be hit by a semi-trailer full of legal suits, indictments, and civil cases while his magarats only have so much money, the big donors will disappear, and Russia help will be hard to find (as they go to DeSantis).

        The reason CPAC not attended is Republicans are busy eating their own. The hard rights want the Rhinos, the tea partiers want to hold investigations of Hunter, the Rhinos want yesterday, the moderates want to stay in hiding, Santos wants his next paycheck, and everyone hates Fox News. Trump lost the party helm he never really had. He can’t even bring the old gang back. They don’t want to go to jail again. Who knows, maybe the moderates will actually find a voice in this.

        On this one though: I think DeSantis savvy to wait. He can still get all the big donor bucks, there is plenty of time, better to put the target on the other candidates be pioneers and they can take the first arrows.

        • Tom

          Ahhh now there’s the pontificating Frank I have come to know and love!

          Pete? What’s wrong with him? Simply put he is a do nothing little faggot. He is a man that is some other man’s wife, pretty weird to most of us center Americans. Sorry, but the truth hurts sometimes!

          I doubt that Don Jr. will run. Dad sucks all of the oxygen out of the room. Yeah I got some good memories too, of the days when Disney was a good and safe place to take your kid. Now, sorry, woke faggot tranny stuff just is not my thing Just exercising my freedom of speech here, but I do not want anything to do with Disney anymore. They have more competition now. Time will tell if they can rebound. They hired back the old jerk that is going to maintain the woke crap which will keep many of us away.

          What you call a hater someone else calls a protector. He was the only one to have the balls to put and end to the expansive pedophilia thoughts and acts that go with those LGBTQ weirdo’s. Many of us do not like kids being groomed the way those faggots groom little kids that should be worrying more about candy and having fun than gender issues. And I agreed with the Martha Vinyard incident. Sent a nice love note to the libs on immigration. Many of us are tired of east coast elites telling our southern states to suck it up and let all of these illegals in, and feed them, and treat them medically, etc. Time the northern liberals get their fare share! I hope you get a few million buddy!! And by the way, there are many Dems that feel the same as DeSantis on these issues! They just stay quiet because of fear or retribution by other lib Dems.

          Yes the more Trump squirms the better I feel. I never like the man way back then, and I still do not like him. Not sure that I can agree with your analysis of the GOP. I am not that concerned about them or the Dems right now until it comes primary time. I do think there is a big split between those that want to move forward without Trump and let the younger Repubs lead the way and those that want more maga crap. I never attended nor watched the CPAC. They are all way to right for me.

          I agree with your DeSantis strategy. Let the other guy take the arrows while you collect the bucks!

          Fun thoughts, I enjoyed your post even if I do not agree with it.

        • Tom

          Here is the only results about Disney that matter: Frank, you may be right about DeSantis shroud over the news facts, but here is one set of Disney facts he cannot shroud because these facts come from the market!!! America does not seem to like “woke” and LGBTQ stuff in their kid videos! Seems like the market agrees with DeSantis on this one!

          Disney already announced over 7,000 layoffs in the company, caused by over $5B in losses after the company tried to hike up the price of a Disney+ subscription, resulting in over 2.4 million people unsubscribing from the streaming service.

          I guess you will be holding on to that woke stock for a little while longer! 🙂

    • sILent hammer

      Desantis should “get into” the race, gather his support, then come out STRONGLY for DJT. Otherwise, the D.C. Elites maintain control, America gets dumber and despondent, and nothing changes except government theft and interest rates. That’s the only thing “rising” in Bubba Brandon’s uh….well, you know the rest.

      • Tom

        Sounds like a pretty stupid idea for DeSantis to do all of that work gathering support and donations (which is what support means) then come out for Trump. That’s a real idiot strategy. DeSantis is much smarter.

  2. Tom

    I am not sure that Morning Joe is correct. A possible scenario is that Trump served one term, then was off a term. If he wins in 2024 then he can run for re-election in 2028 since the law only says that a person cannot serve in the POTUS position for more than two consecutive terms, right? Help me on this one Larry?

    I like that name Frank gives you, Captain Obvious! LOL Actually sounds like you just got a promotion from other things he has called you. Congrats!

    I agree with most of what you said. Most interesting, and I believe you are correct, is that I do not think DeSantis will be harmed by the field nearly as much as Trump, and, I agree, his actual loyalty base may be around 15-20% somewhere. So it is very possible that Desantis could garner a good size share of the primary voters and leave Trump to be picked apart by the other candidates. I hope DeSantis does enter the race but I still see him as a more highly polished form of Trump, but, without much of the arrogance. So I would probably vote for him over a Biden/Kamala-Wheels-on-the-Bus Harris. But please do not interpret this as me leaning right turn. I am simply avoiding a really hard left turn! I do not like nor agree with some of what DeSantis does, but he is the lesser of all of the evils.

    • larry Horist

      Tom … Wrong! The law (Amendment) does not say “two consecutive terms.” Here is the text.

      Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

      • Tom

        Thanks Larry. I really was not sure.

    • frank stetson

      Nope, I am pretty sure two terms, consecutive or not. Plus, there may be a 2-year rule for partial Presidents due to being a VP who takes part of a term.

      • Tom

        Thanks Larry. I really was not sure.

        • Frank stetsoj

          My, thy nose is browner than Larry’s.

          And I’m not Larry, Captain Oblivious 😁

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson …. Tom got confused because you have your own Larry Horist as an imaginary friend .. or in this case, adversary.

  3. JCAT

    I WANT TRUMP FOR 2024! NO WOMEN AS VP. IF DESANTIS AND TRUMP RUN, I HOPE THEY WILL DO TRUMP AS PRESIDENT AND DESANTIS AS VP. SO THAT TRUMP CAN GET HIS 4 YEARS, AND HELP STRAIGHTEN OUT THE MESS THAT BIDEN AND HIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE CAUSED FOR AMERICA. THEN IN 2028, DESANTIS WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB AS A PRESIDENT WITH A LITTLE EXPERIENCE UNDER HIS BELT.

    • frank stetson

      “NO WOMEN AS VP.”

      sounds gay. or trans. not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      certainly does not sound like he dates…..or has ever dated…..or will ever date

      :>)

    • Tom

      Dude, you need to get together with sILENT Hammer (see above). I think you guys are meant for each other!

  4. Darren

    The true question is one that was already be zoned over.
    If Trump runs against Biden, at this point it is the equivalent of Trump running against Hillary.
    Biden has placed himself in the same Boat as Hillary through is incompetent errors.
    Hillary is just Evil. Biden is just Stupid. Neither would make the mistakes the other had made.
    But both in the same Boat.
    It does not matter weather it is DeSantis or Trump. The opposition is hatted, if not, they should be.
    Personality aside, of the 4, who would be the President who could fix the mess Biden put us in.
    Obviously, not Biden. The question is moot.
    PS, when getting on a plane, see if anyone on board ever worked for the Clinton Administration?

  5. Richard

    Desantis will beat Trump and Biden. After voting twice for Trump, I realized that Trump was too controversial, too egotistical as far as working with other Reps and Dems and lacking of proper leadership skills. This was before it was announced that he had lost the election,- I sure as hell was not going to vote for Biden. So here we sit with an administration driven by Obama/Schumer/Pelosi(holds the strings that controls the dummy Biden)-a President that can’t even think on his feet or give a speech without a teleprompter.
    The Reps need younger fresh blood capable of working and leading this once great country out of the abyss that this administration has waded into.

  6. Grace Bruno

    That is so cute suddenly the Deep State, thats been endorsing DeSantis, NOW they’re afraid of him. Soros, Karl ROve, the Bushes, Paul Ryan all the Never Trumpers that are afraid of Trump, love DeSantis. I guess I’ve been posting THe Only Man THey’re afraid of is Trump, too much now they’re reversing it. They’re afraid of DeSantis thats why he’s covered in the news positively. All the things Trump did in 4 years were NEVER covered in the news. I wouldn’t put it past them to cheat to install DeSantis as the Nominee. Trump will break up the Globalists little game and they know DeSantis definitely will not. He knows going along with the Deep State will make him a very rich man. And that my dear Americans is why they are in office, with the exception of Trump.

  7. Grace Bruno

    Definitely we want the young leadership which will be like putting the Bushes back in the whitehouse. Might as well put Obama back because it will go from bad to worse. People think DeSantis will have the free reign in the WH that he has in Florida. They want to use DeSantis as a weapon against Trump. And if DeSantis backers like Soros, Rove, Ryan and all the Bushes don’t scare you then you aren’t paying attention.

  8. frank stetson

    Larry, starting a new thread for your worldometers foofaraw

    You first stated: “According to the official figures, there were 21 deaths from Covid yesterday.” That would be March 6th data.
    The next day you posted: “So far today, there are 44 Covid Deaths in America.” That would be 3/7/2023.

    I keep telling you the data updates for a few days, maybe a week or more to which you said:

    you are pushing disinformation
    at best you are dredging up old data. At worse you are intentionally misinforming. Maybe a bit of both.
    Framk Stetson. You are incorrigible
    And and you still try to sell your disinformation.
    Put away you tinfoil hat and open your eyes.
    When you are sure, you are often wrong … and when you are pretty sure, you are always wrong.

    The datapoint was total US deaths, the date was 3.6.2021, the source was worldometer, and your number was 21 deaths which I saw also.

    My point was the initial number changes, often for around a week and I listed the other numbers whereupon you called me all those names.

    Today, the worldometer number for US deaths for 3.6.21 is 125 —- it is still rising so I thank you for that. At least I will soon know the interval for possible update

    Your submission of 44 deaths for 3.7.2021 is now, on 3/11/2023 posted as 178.

    The numbers change, they get updated. Worlsometers describes all this if you bothered to research. I am just not sure why you not only have issues with the concept, one you could easily have figured out by looking, but instead felt you should lambast, demean, and tell me to keep looking when, at that point, my numbers were MORE correct than yours. Days more current and correct.

    FYI: worldometers pretty much explains all this under their methodologies as well as the recent changes that affect the immediacy and quality of this data.

  9. frank stetson

    Larry, as far as what I said about Florida,

    The core of my data on Florida’s covid response results for DeSanctimonious were as follows:

    Total Cases: third place in the nation, NJ thanks you.
    Cases last seven days: fourth place in the nation, you’re slipping
    Total Deaths: third place in the nation, I though NJ would never be passed
    Death is last seven days: second place in the nation, you guys must try harder.

    The link, dates, and sources were provided for my readout from 3.4.2023 with data 2.27.2023. Like Worldometer, Statista uses a CDC database as core with state and local databases as well and readily admits the data can change, and will be different than other suppliers.

    Their total death rate for FL was 402/100K and total cases were 7,516,906 as of 2.27.2023. Wordometer has total FL cases at 7,528,420 as of today. Looks good enough for government work to me. Makes your “Put away you tinfoil hat and open your eyes” look incredibly stupid as if you don’t have a clue about the subject.

    Bottom line: your comments re my FL results for FL covid response is pure bullshit — looks like I am spot on.

  10. frank stetson

    This is long, but it ain’t no screed Larry.

    I have shown that Ron DeSantis’ covid response is an abject failure resulting in Florida having some of the worst overall stats in America in terms of total cases, total deaths, etc. That’s just a fact based on the numbers. I find it odd that Floridians do not share this narrative. The same may be true in Florida nursing homes where, according to the AARP dashboard:

    Only 32% of residents are fully vaccinated, second worst in the nation
    Only 14% of the workers are fully vaccinated, 8th worst in the nation

    Which results in:
    Only 4.9/100K catch covid, that’s 27th up from the worst, so pretty much in the middle of the pack.

    Which results in an amazing:
    Only .05/100K die from covid, 7th best in nation.

    When I look at these numbers, my first response is “how can you be unvaccinated and score so few deaths with your case count in middle of the pack?” It does not pass a simple statistical sniff test. One thing that happens is Florida escaped the early surge, especially the “surprise” attack in nursing homes that devastated NY and NJ. Cognizant of NY and NJ, FL no doubt took some prudent steps on masking and distancing. But that still does not really answer the question.

    Bottom line: I don’t know and the data is really hard to come by given Florida’s propensity to not be transparent. I will list a lot of data streams, news clippings, etc., but Larry, I really don’t have an answer here. Will let you decide for yourself until better investigative journalists take a shot at it.

    What I found so far: AARP is probably the best at nursing home data. At the end of August 2021, “AARP today released the Nursing Home COVID-19 Dashboard, which tracks nursing home data including cases, deaths, resident and staff vaccination rates. The new report showed that Florida leads the nation with 237 nursing home resident deaths from COVID-19, representing 21 percent of 1,125 total COVID-19 deaths occurring in nursing homes across the United States.” Also, “Florida also has the highest number of nursing home staff who are dying of COVID-19, with 13 deaths occurring in the state over the same time period, representing 17 percent of 76 total staff deaths nationally.”

    Pretty impressive come back from the 2021… Especially when you consider Florida is one of only three states still below 50 percent in vaccination of staff at nursing homes (joining Missouri and Louisiana). The percent of Florida nursing homes reporting new staff cases of COVID-19 more than doubled since the previous month’s report, increasing from 40.3 percent to 94 percent, the highest in the nation and nearly double the national average of 51 percent.

    The percent of new resident cases quadrupled during the same time period, from 12.6 percent to 61 percent, three times the national average of 20 percent.

    Approximately 22 percent of Florida’s nursing homes continue to suffer from staffing shortages, up from 18 percent in the previous month’s report.

    Here’s a Florida newspapers account: *https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/coronavirus/2020/05/25/state-missteps-failed-frail-in-floridarsquos-nursing-homes/41751079/*

    I don’t know the answer yet on nursing homes, but the data seems conflicted especially against the Florida results outside of nursing homes being so, so bad. Just hard to see how they go from being one of the worst nursing home responses in 2021 to one of the best without vaccinations in 2023.

    Wishful thinking?

    I will do one more research run but what I expect is that Florida somehow is cooking the books for nursing homes (and other demographics).

  11. frank stetson

    Sorry Larry, this one is long too. Please take it personally. Get emotional. Be defensive. Toss some names. But don’t rebuttal based on facts, that would be beneath you……

    People lie all the time in NJ and FL; the difference is we don’t like it and we get very vocal. I think you should examine, for yourself, the DeSantis covid record and quit eating the government swill. It seems to sound good with data showing it’s really bad.

    Some news-bytes from Florida covering the nursing home response to covid.

    As I said, Florida escaped the 2020 surge, the great DeSantctimonious even blamed NJ for importing the disease he would ultimately defeat by “cooking the books” so he could wage his national ascent based on a Florida culture war on masks, distancing, and vaccines. Florida opens early, claiming a vibrant economy where front-line workers, like service workers, counter staff, face the most danger but seniors are like rats trapped in a box. By 2021, it is the worst state in the nation for a covid response by it’s governor.

    Here’s the news:

    8.14.2021 – Oscala Starbanner. “Florida leads nation in COVID cases among nursing home staff” “Florida ranks worst in the nation for COVID-19 infections among nursing home staff, according to AARP’s latest update released Thursday.
    The update also reported that Florida has the second-worst vaccination rate among nursing home staff. “ *https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2021/08/14/covid-florida-nursing-homes-rank-worst-nationwide-staff-cases/8126240002/*

    It was a bad time: “The report released Wednesday showed that Florida during the four weeks that ended Aug. 22 had a COVID-19 death rate for nursing-home residents — 0.36 per 100 residents — that was tied with Alaska for the highest in the nation. The report also said 13 Florida nursing-home staff members died of COVID-19 during the period.

    Florida also had among the lowest rates in the nation of fully vaccinated nursing-home workers and residents during the period. The report said 48.5% of nursing-home staff members were fully vaccinated, with only Louisiana lower at 47.9%. It said 73.6% of Florida nursing-home residents were fully vaccinated, with only Nevada and Arizona having lower rates.” *https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-09-15/florida-tied-for-the-nations-highest-covid-19-nursing-home-death-rate-as-vaccinations-lag*

    The State, under DeSanctimonious pushed back against vaccinating employees at this time. Here’s a report synopsis from Columbia Law School: “Governor DeSantis and members of his staff repeatedly questioned the accuracy of the COVID-19 death rates, with his press secretary Fred Piccolo Jr. tweeting: “we can tell you definitively that Florida is counting deaths that were not directly caused by COVID-19.” Mr. Piccolo has also sought to downplay the COVID-19 pandemic in other ways. On one occasion, he erroneously tweeted: “we had one COVID death in Florida yesterday . . yes you read that right. One.” In fact, on the day in question, there were 47 deaths.” *https://climate.law.columbia.edu/content/covid-19-data-misrepresented-florida-governor*

    To combat these rising numbers, DeSantctimonious hatches the plan to fix all this: change the count. If you can’t count em, they are not there.

    Here’s the truly sad news:

    3.30.2021 – VanityFair: “Florida May Have Undercounted Its COVID-19 Deaths by Thousands: What’s 4,924 extra deaths between friends? “In the case of Florida, the researchers say, 4,924 excess deaths should have been counted as resulting from COVID-19 but for the most part were ruled as having been caused by something else, thus lowering Florida’s coronavirus fatality count. “

    7.23.2021 – CBS12 (boca): “Florida won’t reinstate reporting of COVID-19 cases at assisted living centers” “Currently, Florida’s weekly COVID-19 report does not include a breakdown of the cases among assisted living and long-term care facilities. A spokesperson for the Governor’s Office tells CBS12 News they have no intentions of changing that.”
    This is the scary part. It hasn’t changed. You see, when you don’t report problems publicly, then the public sees no problems. And when you lie, and they believe it, life is good again, in Florida.

    3.12.2023 – Bay News 9: “Florida no longer tracking COVID-19 nursing home data” “Last month, Spectrum News reported the state was scaling back to weekly posts of COVID-19 long-term care data. But now we’ve learned not only is that data no longer being posted, but it’s not even being collected.” *https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/06/15/ltc-covid-data*
    Another way to beat back the surge is to delay findings. If you wait to report, you flatten the curve. During the surge, if you are in an FL nursing home: “As omicron surges, more nursing homes are facing a double whammy: Lab tests are taking too long, and fast antigen tests are in short supply.” “As omicron surges, more nursing homes are facing a double whammy: Lab tests are taking too long, and fast antigen tests are in short supply.”
    *https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-02-02/at-nursing-homes-long-waits-for-results-have-rendered-covid-tests-useless*

    In conclusion, I really don’t know. These are soundbites scattered across time and since DeSantctimonious is anything but transparent, there is not a cohesive timeline, database, or fact base. I am guessing what I show here is tip of the iceberg. The Gainesville Observer editorial summed it up in June of 2022: “Better data from Florida essential for pandemic control”” It didn’t take an audit by the Florida auditor general to confirm what many of us suspected all along: Florida’s COVID-19 pandemic data was, and most likely remains, flawed. The words “inaccurate” and “incomplete” are laced throughout the 30-page audit report, along with other descriptions that don’t stir confidence.” *https://www.gainesville.com/story/opinion/2022/06/13/editorial-florida-health-agencies-fumble-fighting-covid/7584590001/*

    “Florida missed 17% of COVID deaths early in the pandemic, had incomplete info on cases, auditor says”
    Larry says: “the folks in Florida tended to like DeSantis’ handling of Covid — and we should know. His leadership is arguably responsible for the magnitude and scope of the GOP victory in Florida. “

    Take another look Larry; a real hard look, and tell me that the facts I have presented are not the case and that DeSanctimonious had a magical formula resulting in less vaccinations (especially at nursing homes), more cases result in less death. It’s called “cooking the books.”

    • larry Horist

      Frank Sterson …. I actually pity you and you obsession. Every knows that there is all kinds of inaccurate, misleading and misinformation all over the new services and social platform’s. Cherry picking to support your mendacious narrative is a no brainer. I doubly anyone reads you long screed — and am also finding them boring and misinformative. On the other hand, I have neither the desire nor valuable time to engage in you obsessive desire to engage in a meaningless bricking dual. You have a right to your options … but there is not right to be taken seriously, or to require your much desired responses. If you think you are having some desired result or influence with your screed — or have a lot of time to waste — go for it. But I have no intention of feeding you obsession.

      • frank stetson

        “Frank Stetson … On a different thread, I said I will meet your desire to make this a loooong ongoing personal bickersome debate. (go for it, it suits you) Re-read your postings (nbl, do your own work) and look how much is about ME as opposed to the issues. That is the obsession. The prolonged personal exchange is not productive”.

        “I actually pity you and you obsession……inaccurate, misleading and misinformation……….mendacious (Larry’s word of the day, it will be on the test :>) no brainer……..long screed……..boring and misinformative.”

        “I pity you……misinformation, inaccuracies…. you cherry pick……long repetitive screeds (not screed again, get a thesaurus for Christ’s sake, save us the repetition) are getting read…………banal bickering contest……”

        One of your better series of repetitive redundant ridiculous responses Larry. I really understand your pointless of view now. So many uncompelling facts not about the issues which really puts mine plethora of facts from fake Florida news outlets into perspective. Columbia Law School too, those lying bastards. There is one truth in your piece: readers will make a choice.

        Keep tossing those names while blaming same.

  12. larry Horist

    Frank Stetson … I pity you. Most folks understand that there is enough information, misinformation, inaccuracies in the media to provide all kinds of information is you cherry pick — which is what you do. You seem to see much of your life seeking some sort of personal engagement with me — or some desire for relevancy. Personally, I doubt that your long repetitive screeds are getting read by anyone. I have neither the time or the desire to waste my time in a banal bickering contest. You have a right to your opinion … but there is not right that you have to be taken seriously. I give my opinion … you respond … and readers can decided what the believe. End of the game. Your desire to carry on prolonged online exchanges over how many angels can fit on the head of a pin is of no value. I am just not going to feed your obsession. So, you can stop begging for responses to your every post — or trying to provoke them with childish insults.

    • Frank stetson

      Larry repeats himself when under stress, repeats himself when under stress.

      • larry Horist

        Frank Stetson…. Again you invent al lie to proffer through your imaginary Larry Horist. That FACT is that I wrote the first one and my computer got knocked out. It was not on the screen when I returned — and I assumed it just disappeared. So,, I wrote a new one as best I recalled the first one. If you think I stress over your crap, you are delusional — another mischaracterization. Do not flatter your self or invent you importance to me.

        • Frank stetson

          It’s just a line from King Crimson that strikes me on repeats, chillax, relax, no need to get excited.

          Quit demeaning yourself, issues not personal, remember.

          Crikey, Trump used Desanctimonious the other day. I am afraid….

  13. frank stetson

    According to Mr. Horist: “Every knows that there is all kinds of inaccurate, misleading and misinformation all over the new services and social platform’s. Cherry picking to support your mendacious narrative is a no brainer.”

    Mendacious meaning unworthy of trust or belief.

    Here’s the recent list of national and Florida media and people that Larry says have been used for my inaccurate and misleading mendacious narrative. He refuses to offer a retort beyond blather. Each source article has been linked. Larry has not looked.

    Larry says the following information sources have been used to create a mendacious narrative. IOW, these lies have been used to tell my lie of a narrative. Or, simply stated: they lie.

    – Statista (same sources and outputs as Larry’s fav: worldometer)
    – AARP
    – CDC
    – Columbia University
    – Vanity Fair
    – CBS Channel 12, West Palm Beach
    – WUSF Florida Public Media (NPR)
    – Spectrum News 9 Tampa
    – The Gainesville Sun
    – Ocala Star Banner

    Or Larry is wrong and DeSantis does have a really bad record for his covid response in Florida and Larry just can not prove different.

    Facts are our friends, Mr. Horist.