Iran’s Madness is on Full Display
As Iran is being pounded by the United States and Israel, we can see the irrationality of Islamic extremism. It is what causes people to blow themselves up with body bombs or undertake kamikaze style missions such as the 9/11 attacks on America. It explains the obsessive “Death to America” campaign. It is what creates lone wolf terrorists. It is a combination of messianic religious zealotry and lust for power that motivates their death cult insanity.
We see it now on full display. Iran has all but lost the war. They have no hope of defeating – or even resisting – the two most powerful militaries in the world. Once a significant military power, Iran no longer has an air force. They no longer have a navy. According to intelligence estimates, they have expended 80 to 90 percent of their ammunition – and lost the ability to produce more because the factories are being leveled. They have no nuclear program. Most of the top leadership was killed in a single attack – and successors are being taken out as soon as they appear.
Iran is ostensibly being led by a man who may be in a coma, disfigured and missing a leg – a leader who has not been seen, photographed or recorded since his rise to Supreme Leader. At this point, he is little more than a symbolic cardboard cutout.
Any rational leadership would have flown the white flag – surrendered, as President Trump suggested. But those who cling to diminishing power in Iran are not rational. Consequently, they will fight on even in the face of certain defeat and death. It is the same desperation and madness that had Hitler recruiting children to defend him as the allies approached Berlin.
As a regime, Iran is lashing out in its death throes – taking the kind of violent actions sometimes seen in a person about to die. It does not change the outcome. At best, it may provide a meaningless level of fatal self-satisfaction.
That is the kind of war Iran is now waging. If they have even a semblance of rationality, they must know the end is near. If they think there is a path to victory, they are totally insane … delusional.
The madness in Iran has reached the stage in which they will sacrifice their own people. They will attack neutral neighbors. They will intentionally create an oil crisis that hits as hard at their allies – China, for example – as it does their adversaries.
The attacks on refineries in other Arab nations makes no strategic sense. Quite the opposite. It brings them into the war against Iran. The attacks on civilian targets in Dubai are notably crazy. That is one of the richest Arab nations in the Middle East – and one that has notoriously stayed free of terrorism.
The attacks on oil tankers make no sense. Yes, they can temporarily disrupt the flow of oil and create price increases. But, after the war all that will return to normal.
At this stage, it seems that Iran’s strategy is to create as much pain and suffering as possible without any strategic benefit. It is the old, “If I go down, you go with me.” Pure madness.
This war will not last long. It is not another Vietnam or Afghanistan. We may wind up with boots on the ground as a “mop up” action – and to be sure the old guard does not figuratively rise from the dead.
What we are seeing is the final moments of a football game, with a score of 36 to zero. The losing team may score a few more points, but the outcome has become inevitable.
So, there ‘tis.
And we have people like Dunger rooting against America. Isn’t that fantastic, Mike f as in fantastic faggot ?
Uncle Dung: I have never rooted against America. I am not a soldier; I protested my war and supported my generations soldiers at the same time. My Greatest Generation father supported me. I walked the halls of the Pentagon in High School writing stories about the brave people there. I give liberally to vets. Many friends, relatives in the service, a good number of lifers. My family has fought in almost every war starting with the civil. We have sacrificed much.
You are out of line and a complete ass to say that.
Awwww. Dunger doesn’t really mean that. But jokes aside, I watched a little bit of pmsnbc. The lying bastard was Chris Hayes. A real faggot looking guy. Dunger might find him fantastic. But he was lying about the wrongs of voters ID and claimed it’s about suppressing votes. Well it is. It’s intended to have voting rights for true American citizens. What’s not to like about that?
Yeah, change the subject. Pretend you are joking. You are a joke, but you are right, I did not mean that. I meant so much more, but held back.
Our Constitution’s most important right, our First Amendment Right, guarantees “the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” And you are the one rooting against America’s First Amendment like Brenden Car and Trump are rooting against the First Amendment suggesting they will pull licenses if people use the First. You are no better than that.
Larry seems to say: “Mission Accomplished” as NPR notes: “Israel and Iran attack gas facilities in a major escalation that rattles markets.” They attacked Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and oil is $110 a barrel today as market futures tanked. The Pentagon is asking for $200B to maybe “wind up with boots on the ground as a “mop up” action – and to be sure the old guard does not figuratively rise from the dead.” Yeah, 90 million people, 610,000 active troops, 350,000 reservists, and 220,000 paramilitary forces is a little mopping up. Sure. Whatever.
It’s beginning to look a lot like there is an imminent threat, and that threat is us. Finish Ukraine first. They actually want our help.
President Trump has gone to War in more countries than any modern President while promising no new wars. Remember Abbey Gate’s 13 who made the ultimate sacrifice. We are at 13 in Iran. So far.
What I do not understand is why we started this in the first place. Any idiot KNOWS that Iran is 100% irrational, so why start something that may very well take down the entire worldwide economy? Who are the winners? China maybe? Russia? Why would we start something where we are the losers and other countries benefit? Especially other countries we are in competition with? Nothing about this adventure makes any sense at all.
Andy … How do you look at the decades that Iran or its paid-for proxies have been attacking America — costing thousand of American lives. You are okay with that forever war? Who wins if we end it, you ask? America, Israel, Iran’s Middle East neighbors, Europe and the rest of the civilized world. Duh! I would agree that the Iranian regime appears to be more resilient than anticipated. But that does not change the worthiness and importance of the objective. The only tragic outcome is if we cut and run like we did in Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea. The only option is to either knock out the Iran regime — as we had to do with Hitler — or limp alone letting them export terrorism and killing more Americans. Remember, their mission is “Death to America” not “Peace with America.” So, tell me. Do you believe we should back off and let the regime in Iran continue killing Americans, Israelis, and others? Would you be okay with your family being in a restaurant when a terrorist bomber walks in? Too many Americans have had those experiences. That does not matter to you ? I honestly cannot understand your willingness to live– or die — with the old status quo. I guess you just play the odds that it will not happen to you.
Iran or its proxies killed a thousand Americans?
Where, when be that?
I apologize and take that one back, indeed when you count the Iraq War and Iran’s participation, you get a potential 600 or more alone, so, 1,000 it is.
Frank Danger … And well you should. Just for the record. According to various sources, here is a quick list of the most notable incidents. It is well more than 1000 dead Americans who died at the hands of Iran or Iran proxies — and the list is still incomplete.
1983 U.S. Embassy bombing, Beirut
1983 Marine barracks bombing, Beirut
1980s Lebanon kidnappings/attacks
2003 – 2011 Iraq War Iran, supplied EFPs & militias
Post 2011 attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, Syria, Gulf, etc.)
2024 Hamas arrack on Israel (murdered and died in captivity)
Ongoing lone world and sleeper cell attacks.
Apology aside, your hatred for Trump had you passing on more than a thousand dead Americans to sympathize with Iran. That was your point — make Trump wrong by making the war wrong … unjustified.. And if that means disregarding all those deaths, so be it. How incredibly heartless … unpatriotic … dishonest … and stupid.
Is see all those deaths as an ongoing imminent danger from Iran. You seam to believe there should be no accountability and we should just let the Tehran regime continue business as usual. How many dead American would it take for you to support action in stopping it? Or is there no limit?
Larry, there’s no square dealing with you is there? You are so twisted with hate that you will stomp on the dog’s neck when it’s down, as you did here. Pile on pugnacious prick. I pulled it back at the speed of light, but that’s not good enough for you. What a dick to spew crap like you do.
You claim that I “passed” on dead Americans because I hate Trump. What a stupid hateful lie that you will never apologize for. A complete lie coming from the war-hawk pin-headed brain over-the-hill and in the weeds, the old-man Horist. You claim I sympathize with Iran which is about as stupid a sentiment as you have ever had. Then this pugnacious prick who loves to pick fights and then blame the other guy for starting them claims I am unpatriotic. This comes from the same ass who claims we are in Iran because the Founders set our vision to spread democracy across the globe willfully spilling our kid’s blood and guts in furtherance of your lie. This patriot wannabee is willing to send your kids to die so Muslims can be free, have democracy, or is it accountability for past deeds that he wants your kids to die for.
He claims Iran killed 603 Americans, including Iraq. He wants accountability, we assassinated 50 of Iran’s leaders. He wants justice, we have killed over 1,000 Iranian innocents, including 150 schoolkids, and over 600 military. How many more Larry; what’s your headcount for accountability?
These asshat war hawks always use patriotism as their crutch when too stupid to persuade someone to their war of choice where the only imminent threat was the President’s poll numbers. How can someone be unpatriotic for suggesting an “excursion” is not regime change or boots on the ground. The kids that died already should not have died for an “excursion;” the ultimate sacrifice needs to be for more than an excursion. We launched a sneak attack, assassinated all of their leadership, but Larry needs more blood, more accountability, and, frankly, God knows what Larry wants except war. This guy will go to war anywhere. He still thinks we spread democracy to VZ and this lady leader is now our servant. Probably still wants Greenland and Canada. This guy, this guy calls me heartless, unpatriotic, dishonest, and stupid, while he wants to punish Iran to let freedom ring and then pass Democracy to all the Muslims of the world, whether they want it or not, because that’s America’s mission. Or at least the mission this moron made up. He lied about how that’s our mission, as stated by the Founders, that he’s willing to sacrifice your kids for: Muslim freedom and democracy. Democracy at the point of Larry’s gun.
Nope Larry, I walked-it-back, apologized within minutes of posting and you are a real asshole to come at me, pile on, for doing the right thing. I could have pushed back at the preponderance of your death stat as a guesstimate by the military-industrial complex, not confirmed by any other sources as 603 or 608 reported in 2019, and “upgraded” from the 500 earlier assessed in 2015. The military has not released the data for independent review. Matter of fact, the military stated: when asked for further clarification of the origins of that figure, the military acknowledged that the Pentagon doesn’t have any study, documentation, or data to provide journalists that would support such a figure. This number was produced for Cheney providing war support. And now you agree with Cheney and use his number as yours since it suits your mission: WAR. Whenever I see a number like 608, it seems to be attempting a greater but fake level of precision to look like a deep statistical dive. Scrutinized many a business case for less. At least they didn’t use a decimal point. Point is it’s from a biased source with an agenda that could not produce a report, or supporting data, for independent review. But did I push back with that? But no —– I just simply said I was wrong and sorry. What’s the point: even one American harmed is too much. They are bad actors deserved of punishment. And punish we are. But walking it back with an apology minutes after posting was not good enough for you, was it? With some blood in the water, you just had to have more. You had to get more. So, you ranted on about past made-up past transgressions and my imagined inner thoughts that, like your Frank Danger earworm, infect what little mind you have left.
Apology aside my sweet white ass. Only a person that never apologizes, sees apology as weakness, would be stupid enough to spew the idiocy that you spewed. Just another fractured sociopath like the Felon King you worship.
Frank Danger …. Truth hurts…. eh? Conversely, lies do not, at least not to me. So your long nasty Tourette Syndrome screed does not do more than amuse me. It only shows me AGAIN what an immature hypocrite you are. You are the king of nastiness and then you try to pass yourself off as a person who eschews mendacious childish insults. Anyone who says the attack on Iran is not justified and long overdue is discounted all those dead Americans. What decent human being would want that to continue? If it is not hatred for Trump, why else oppose the war and want the old regime in place to continue its war on America? The only other explanation is you are cheering for team Iran. If I am wrong, they please explain why you oppose the war and prefer the old status quo.
Old timers disease really kicking now, eh Horist. The ONLY nastiness you get is what you give. Don’t like it? You gonna cry? Then stop. You started it. I only respond to your nasty screed of an ad hominem attack when you start one. Glad you are amused; glad you are entertained. Look, Horist knows what mendacious means and he’s a pugnacious prick. Truth hurts….eh? You seem to be crying like a baby over it. Again, don’t like it, then stop doing it. Be manly, be a man, debate the issues like one, versus your sinking to personal attacks to cover your inadequacies.
On point, you say: “Anyone who says the attack on Iran is not justified and long overdue is discounted all those dead Americans.” I do not discount dead Americans, what a gross thing to think. I said there was no imminent threat. Big difference. I also said “bad actors, no one will shed tears.” So what do you want, a loyalty pledge or have me stand up and raise my hand? You guys are big on those displays of agreement. Like the Nazi’s or Russians, bunch of goose steppers, big displays of allegiance.
“What decent human being would want that to continue?” I am sorry, but unlike your sociopathic lying ass, I don’t like war. I would rather war not continue. Any war. Anywhere. They are bad actors, no one will shed tears, they deserve to be punished, but I do not want to send our kids in to die to change their regime, religion, or anything else except their bad behaviors. How many Iranians need to die to satisfy your need for justice or revenge? We know your what your partner Israelis desire. Is that you too? A little Gaza extermination action?
Do you even know what you want from this war? Do you have a clue what Trump wants? Seems to me you are all over the board. Regime change? Justice for 1,000 Americans? Get the enriched uranium? Stop the obliterated nuclear program, again? Oil? Give them democracy? Protect our Democracy? Spread democracy across the globe. You have said them all. Trump has said many. How long your war and how many lives you willing to have make the ultimate sacrifice to protect our democracy?? Trump has said we have already won. But you need more?
You spew: “If it is not hatred for Trump, why else oppose the war and want the old regime in place to continue its war on America?” So you do want regime change. You are gung ho for going in, boots on the ground, replace the regime to restore democracy in Iran? And if I don’t want our kids to die to satisfy your blood lust, your manifest destiny to have everyone be in a democracy, you conclude: “The only other explanation is you are cheering for team Iran.” Fuck you and the fucked up Horist you rode in on. That is the biggest lie you have told to date. The ole “if you not for me, you be agin me” stupidest piece of logic I have ever seen. If you are not for overturning Iran then you are siding with Iran. What a blooming idiotic thing to deduce. Do you know how many magarats you are calling Iran-lovers? How many Independents? How many Christians?
And the same black and white, yes or no, type of ultimatum where you rant: “If I am wrong, they please explain why you oppose the war and prefer the old status quo.” I don’t prefer the status quo any more than I prefer you. I oppose war because if there is no imminent threat. I oppose regime change as do most maga supporters for the obvious reasons that we can’t make it work. You can force regime change, but can you hold it to paraphrase Franklin. You didn’t hold democracy in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, and I don’t see it taking root in Venezuela, Cuba, or Gaza. You stopped funding Ukraine, and I know, you are against Trump on that one (does that mean you are against America?) but it seems you trade Ukraine for blood in Iran.
We need to wind down Iran, get em back to the negotiation table, and put pressure on Putin to leave Ukraine. Put our military there for the real fight for democracy; a fight we can win, for a people who crave democracy and are willing to die for it. You want to kill our kids? Send em to Ukraine for the good fight instead of the clusterfuck that is Iran that you want them to die for.
Frank Danger…. LMAO. I write one paragraph about your string of personal irrelevant and untrue insults and your respond with another loooong Tourette Syndrome rant of one childish insult after another — and on a five day old thread that no one reads. LOL To me that shows the depth of your obsession and and an inability to deal with the issues in a civil and intelligent manner. Your own writing proves my points and puts the lie to your hypocritical postings for any one who might read them. You are the worst name caller on PBP…. period. And your self-serving excuses are ridiculous. That to me is just the work of an overwrought foolish old man in desperate need of relevancy and attention. I shall end with that since no one will be reading my message to you personally. I understand these old threads — which obviously, you do not. I have better things to do than to respond to all you bs so that you can have a false feel of engagement..
I keep saying I am here for the issues. To learn. To discuss. I keep saying have some decorum, debate like gentlemen. But apparently if someone questions you, you go totally postal, fly off the handle, have emotional outbursts losing all controls, and lash out like a spoiled brat. While I am guessing you are correct that it’s true no one reads your bird cage liners after a few days, it appears you lurk around, trolling for detractors to demean, defame and shit, ran out of d-words…. Try “Scream Like a Baby” by the prophet Bowie — fits you to a T.
“on a five day old thread that no one reads” is just like your book no doubt. I bet you paid to have that one printed. Makes me wonder why you even bother to write if your readership is that bored with you given your talent for “flash in the pan” histrionic-laced screeds rendered totally worthless moments after publication. No wonder Joe’s search engine sucks: no demand.
And can you take that bit about debating off your bio; obviously that’s a lie.
And I told you: I only respond to name calling and such. You started it, you can end it, but nooooo. You just continue to pick the fight you started and then blame me for being the bad guy you are, like the pussywillow you are. A pugnacious prick, well-known for picking fights for over half a century, whose claim to fame being is beaten by a guy called Spanky the Clown. That’s right up there with “Wrong Way Corrigan” so I guess you do have some legacy as you will always be there on Spanky’s WIKI page. And nowhere else, nowhere man.
You never respond to me, all you do it scream like a baby, yell childish names, and then blame me for being the bad guy. You can’t debate on the merits of your case so you whine and call me names. And it’s not just me. You respond that way to many to are not goose stepping to your lame, old, tired concepts of conservatism, an ideology you left in 2017 to become a maga rat.
Frank Danger …. LMAO. You are pathetic. Virtually every mean-spirited nasty thing you write is a reflection of you — pure projection. And you double down. Your Tourette-style writing continues. Get a grip, old man. You are looking more and more unhinged from reality — living in your self-serving fantasy world.
And now this. We removed sanctions from Russia, now they are talking about doing the same for Iran.
“Two countries that we’ve spent years sanctioning are now the direct beneficiaries of a conflict the United States chose to start,” said Brett Erickson, managing principal at Obsidian Risk Advisors, a consultancy that specializes in financial crime and regulatory issues. “The United States has spent years building sanctions architecture specifically designed to constrict Russia and Iran. Within three weeks of this conflict starting, we’re tearing it to shreds. That is not a short-term adjustment, it’s a complete strategic collapse.”
In reality, this constitutes a deceptive act. The facts demonstrate that the United States and Israel jointly launched a decapitation strike against Iran’s supreme commander—thereby initiating the current offensive. Yet, Iran has held its ground for a full twenty days, while U.S. ammunition supplies have been all but depleted. Consequently, Trump now finds himself in an intractable predicament; he has gravely miscalculated the true extent of Iran’s capabilities.
Why is it that news reports fail to mention that the primary victims of this conflict are women and children? Hundreds—if not thousands—of children have already perished in this war; Israel and Trump will go down in history as war criminals.
Nora Wilson…. You seem to be unaware of Iran’s attacks on the U.S. and the killing of more than 1000 American citizens — civilian and military. Or you simply to not care. Wouldn’t you call that more then enough provocation? The U.S. finally responding to Iran’s aggression. So, your policy preference is to just continue one. They kill our people and we send them money. And we are not out of ammunition. You are obvious anti-American since you parrot terrorist propaganda. Or are you just so hateful of Trump that you cannot hold a rational thought?
Boo hoo.
“You are obvious anti-American since you parrot terrorist propaganda. Or are you just so hateful of Trump that you cannot hold a rational thought?”
Awe, Larry trying to make new friends and influence people.