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HORIST: Another Trump accuser … unbelievable.

HORIST: Another Trump accuser … unbelievable.

Or should the headline read “Another unbelievable Trump accuser?”  In an article in New York Magazine, prominent advice columnist E. Jean Carroll accuses President Trump of having sexually assaulted her some twenty-five years ago in the changing room of a Bergdorf Goodman department store in Manhattan.  Before dealing with the specifics of this allegation, allow me to provide a bit of background on the foundation of my opinion in such matters.

We can all agree that sexual assault is a very serious crime – and like all major offenses, there are degrees.  We lay them out in the law.  The most serious is aggravated rape, which is defined as forced penetration.  At the other side of the scale are a variety of legal classes of sexual assault and battery, which generally involves a range of groping, fondling and touching.  Battery involves physical contact.  Assault means to engender fear – threatening to rape, for example.  The grey area is what we call “inappropriate behavior” – something former Vice President Joe Biden has recently confronted.

Other than rape, or attempted rape, most of the other sex crimes tend to be very subjective and arbitrary.  One woman (or man) might be patted on the ass and take little to no offense – or just think of it as boorish behavior, depending on the circumstances.  Other individuals might see the same action as sexual and feel violated.

Complicating the entire issue is the fact that most sexual assaults and batteries provide little evidence – with the exception of forcible rape, where semen, DNA, hair samples and fingerprints can support the accusation.  The fact that the less brutal sexual assaults come down to she said/he said is unfortunate.  Under our standards of criminal justice – innocent until PROVEN guilty and the requirement of evidence and substantiation – it is often very difficult to PROVE sexual assault.

Because of this unfortunate difficulty in proving the crime, many feminists argue that our entire American system of justice should be upended and that a woman should be believed … period.  That was the message of the #MeToo Movement.  Believing accusers at face value, however, is wrong and very dangerous.  That is exactly what our rule-of-law has been crafted to avoid.  The evil of such a system was seen in the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, and racist Democrat courts in Dixie during the era of segregation and in innumerable authoritarian courts around the world.  It is vigilante justice – meaning that the political and social mood of the time produces spleen-vented street justice.  It makes the court-of-public-opinion superior to our court-of-law.  It creates what we often call “kangaroo courts.”

So, what about Ms. Carroll?

Because of the sensitivity and volatility of this subject, I spent a fair amount of time researching and evaluating the facts as they have been presented – and some that have not been aired.  I have come to my own personal conclusion.  I do not believe her.

It is not just a matter of inability to produce facts – although that is important.  Just because she cannot prove it does not mean it did not happen.  I understand that.  However, her background and the entire way this has rolled out has the odor of … well, you know … bovine poop.  Allow me to explain.

Carroll’s article in New York Magazine comes – not so coincidentally – at the time of the publication of her book. There is no better way to pump up what may have been mediocre anticipated sales.  To further sensationalize her story, she is pictured on the cover of the magazine wearing the same outfit – not a duplicate or similar– but the actual outfit she claims to have been wearing when assaulted.  She still has it after 25 years?  I know, anything is possible – but there is more.

Carroll has established a reputation of a man-hater.  I do not say that as a mindless insult.  First, you should know that her book is titled, “What do we need men for?”  In fact, much of her writing deals with the relationship between men and women – and generally unflatteringly of the men.  Her biography on Wikipedia states that she became known for “her insistence that women should ‘never never’ structure their lives around men,”  The never-married Carroll apparently takes her own advice.

Carroll is part of the New York Democrat media establishment who hates Trump.  Getting publicity for her book and damaging Trump is a two-fer for her.

Then there is the matter of time. Carroll waited for 25 years to make her accusations public.  She did not go to the police at the time.  She did not make her accusations during the height of the #MeToo Movement, when women across the nation were revealing stories from their pasts.  I have no doubt that the vast majority of them were true.

Carroll said that her “encounter” with Trump happened in late 1995 or early 1996.  I find it hard to believe that the more specific time of such monumental and emotional event would be lost in her memory.  Maybe not the exact day, but not even the exact year?  She cannot recall if it happened before, during or after Christmas?  That kind of association is usually an indelible marker.

In her magazine article, Carroll wrote that they recognized each other in the store – her as the famous advice columnist and him as the real estate tycoon.   He wanted a gift for a lady and asked her advice.  She recommended a hat or a purse.  She claims that Trump “steered” her to the lingerie department of the high-end store.

She then alleges Trump wanted her to try on some of the intimate apparel.  Apparently, Trump forcibly pushed her into the dressing room where he sexually assaulted (essentially raped) her.   By her account, she was able to finally push him off and escape from the dressing room.

I find it strange that the action she described would not have been noticed by other shoppers or store personnel. Stores like Bergdorf Goodman usually have cameras – and dressing rooms are particularly watched. Didn’t she yell out?  If not, why not?  This was a highly public place.  One scream and the entire event would have been over.  Carroll’s story has more holes than my grandmother’s colander.

She claims to have told two friends, who folks in the media described as witnesses.  Sorry, they witnessed nothing.  One advised going to the police and the other against because Trump would confront her with a cadre of attorneys.  At the time of this writing, the friends have not been identified or come forward.

Carroll loses more credibility with her colorful and highly improbable account of being sexually assaulted in an elevator by former CBS CEO Les Moonves.  In her book, she wrote:

“He steps into the elevator behind me, and his pants bursting with demands, goes at me like an octopus. I don’t know how many apertures and openings you possess, Reader, but Moonves, with his arms squirming and poking and goosing and scooping and pricking and prodding and jabbing, is looking for fissures I don’t even know I own, and — by God! — I am not certain that even if I pull off one of his arms it won’t crawl after me and attack me in my hotel bed. Hell, I am thrilled I escape before he expels his ink.”

And again, it goes unreported – and in this case, she does not even indicate she shared this incident with friends.

Moonves may be a very bad character, but would he have expected – or she have expected – that he was going to consummate the sexual act before the elevator doors opened again.  This woman has a propensity for being attacked in the most unlikely public places – and don’t most elevators have cameras?  Will we soon hear about another one on the ice rink in Rockefeller Center during the Christmas holidays?  How about in the observation tower of the new Trade Tower?  Sorry, all this sound like fodder for book sales as opposed to a real exposé.

We should also admit that there is fame and fortune in leveling accusations against prominent individuals.  Because of their public image, they are more likely to settle the issue “quietly” whether true or not.  It is also true that people who are deemed to be public figures have limited ability to take accusers to court.  I suspect Carroll knows that.

Though Carroll has no problem in making a public accusation, she has zero desire to take the case to court even today – and we should be reminded that there is no statute of limitation on sexual assault in New York.  She explained her reluctance to MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell by saying it would be “disrespectful”  to make focus on her.  She said:

“I would find it disrespectful to the women who are down on the border who are being raped around the clock, down there without any protection.  They’re young women… It would just be disrespectful if I – you know – and mine was three minutes. I’m a mature woman. I can handle it. I can keep going. My life has gone on. I’m a happy woman.”

In the same interview, Carroll painted a completely different description of her life since that  alleged incident. She claimed to still be “struggling” with feelings of responsibility.  “I still can’t kick the feeling that it was my fault. I can’t. It’s hard to get rid of that,” she told O’Donnell.

A number of anti-Trump panelists on MSNBC expressed concern that the public would not believe her.  I think they are correct.  Sitting at my computer, I cannot definitively say whether Carroll is telling the truth or not.  I can say that if I was on a jury hearing this case, I would not find her credible.

So, there ‘tis.

Editor’s note: We almost pulled this story because Carroll’s accusations are so obviously fraudulent, self serving Trump hate speech, the worst kind of political garbage. It is even worse, in our opinion, than the Jussie Smollet case, and she does not deserve even an acknowledgement.

However, Larry Horist is one of our most respected writers and his opinion carries weight. He felt that the issue needed to be addressed so that our readers have complete information here at Punching Bag Post, and not out on the streets where they will get wrong information.

So (stealing Larry’s trademark) … there ’tis.

About The Author

Larry Horist

So,there‘tis… The opinions, perspectives and analyses of Larry Horist Larry Horist is a businessman, conservative writer and political strategist with an extensive background in economics and public policy. Clients of his consulting firm have included such conservative icons as Steve Forbes and Milton Friedman. He has served as a consultant to the Nixon White House and travelled the country as a spokesman for President Reagan’s economic reforms. He has testified as an expert witness before numerous legislative bodies, including the U. S. Congress. Horist has lectured and taught courses at numerous colleges and universities, including Harvard, Northwestern, DePaul universities, Hope College and his alma mater, Knox College. He has been a guest on hundreds of public affairs talk shows, and hosted his own program, “Chicago In Sight,” on WIND radio. Horist was a one-time candidate for mayor of Chicago and served as Executive Director of the City Club of Chicago, where he led a successful two-year campaign to save the historic Chicago Theatre from the wrecking ball. An award-winning debater, his insightful and sometimes controversial commentaries appear frequently on the editorial pages of newspapers across the nation. He is praised by readers for his style, substance and sense of humor. According to one reader, Horist is the “new Charles Krauthammer.” He is actively semi-retired in Boca Raton, Florida where he devotes his time to writing. So, there ‘tis is Horist’s signature sign off.


  1. Rickie Glenn

    well that’s 2 democrat stupid whores now and where were these democrat whores 4 years ago. I sure as hope the police decide to investigate these hoax accusers as not one of them is even a bit credible in fact why do they come out when the election is in full force. I wonder just how much money Soros, Clinton and Obama paid them. I guess Biden is now paying them off now. Is this going to be the norm now every 2 years where a democrats come out and accuse republicans of rape. You faux woman are hurting nothing but those real victims out there pretty soon they will no longer believe women at all because of fake idiots you all should be shot when found out????

  2. Robert Ratched

    Just because Trumpists n other right wing extremists are willing to lie about such matters as are discussed in this piece does not mean that the rest of us – the human part of the human race – are willing to do so. I believe her because it is harmful to her to tell this story publicly, and because Trump has a track record of abusing women in this way. When will the Trumpists stop refusing to see what is obvious to the rest of us – Trump is a serial abuser, who believes that his money and now, position as stolen election president get him off the hook for anything he wants to do? He’s an arrogant moron, n I too would like to see him in jail. Or better than that, he should be forced to live on a minimum wage salary for the rest of his miserable life – which god willing will not be long. I mean, he is 73 and morbidly obese.

    And hey, Trumpists – he is NOT a self made man – his daddy gave him millions in his younger years, and advisers made the rest for him since. I’d be surprised if he even knows how to do a stock trade. Other than pick up the phone and tell someone else to do it. Probably even pick the stock for him.

    Before someone feels compelled to state the obvious, yes I do hate Trump. But not solely because he’s a Republican. It’s because he is a crude, boorish, willfully ignorant, dangerous-to-world-peace fool of a Republican. To me, that’s enough reason

  3. Lori

    Trump is always gonna find haters out there accusing him of “all things women abuser” because of his playboy background. But really? With his money and fame do you really think he’d have to rape to get his girl. I don’t think so… And no matter what you say about the election in 2016 Donald Trump won fair and square. And that’s what angers the democrats. They can’t control him through blackmail, through money bribes or such, through legal means because he truly is above the scum in Washington. He’s been the best thing for Americans who want to take back our country from big government bullies. We the people are in charge, not Congress who sits on their butts and does nothing that don’t behoove them. They really do need term control there. Like a president 2 terms and next in line voted in to run or stand for that state.. Anyway results should count for something … your homework and see, really see. The truth is there. Trump is doing a great job as president.

  4. RedBull

    “I believe her because it is harmful to her to tell this story publicly, and because Trump has a track record of abusing women in this way.” You think so Robert? Is this in the court of public opinion or where? CNN? What does she have to lose – harmful? To sell all those books and say he ‘tried’ but didn’t get away with it. You seem to be an impressionable fool. When you take the blinders off maybe you’ll see that Trump is trying to help, that we’re all human and if the press wanted to make us look bad they could do it to anybody. I’m sure there are skeletons in your closet too, so who are you to judge his character? Why don’t you look at the balance sheet of what he’s doing to help instead?

  5. Ron P


  6. Elizabeth Payne

    Liar working for Democrats

  7. Matthew Litton

    So why does Trump only rape/grope/assault liberal/leftist women??