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Haley still dominates in the debates … but does it matter?

Haley still dominates in the debates … but does it matter?

As we move into the actual primaries, it appears that former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley will be the greatest threat to President Trump’s reelection. The more important question is just how big of a threat she would be.  So far second place among the GOP field of presidential candidates is a very distant second place.

Most observers have given Haley the win in all three of the GOP debates so far.  But … she has not soared.  She seems to be getting support from the dwindling field of GOP candidates – but not from Trump.  With two months before the Iowa caucuses – and at least one more debate – the number of meaningful candidates has shrunk to five. 

There may be another cut for the upcoming fourth debate.  The only assured appearances are Haley and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.  Any one of the others – South Carolina Senator Tim Scott, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and businessman Vivek Ramaswamy – or even all of them could be eliminated.

After the fourth debate, we are going to see numbers moving up significantly for either Haley or DeSantis.  At least that is how I see it — and I am betting that Haley comes out on top.

There are two things to watch in terms of a breakaway moment.  Will one of the GOP challengers to Trump start to approach 35 percent national support – and will that candidate get reasonably good numbers in the early primaries?  That is what they call “momentum.”  It will happen within the next three months – or it will not happen at all.

Oh yeah!  The third Debate.

It was widely described as “lively” – meaning the candidates got into yelling contests.  The two most interesting were the personality clash between the two ethnic Indian candidates – Haley and Ramaswamy.  They squabbled over the use of Tik Tok – and it got heated when Ramaswamy brought up Haley’s daughter’s use of the infamous app.

Haley and DeSantis quibbled over who hates China the most now– but did not in the past.  DeSantis brought up 10-year-old kind words Haley had for China when she – and every other governor — were soliciting Chinese business investment.  Haley trumped DeSantis by pointing to Florida’s more recent engagements with the Middle Kingdom. 

The parameters of the abortion issue were set by Haley and Scott, with Haley arguing for doable abortion restrictions – and pointing out that there is no chance Congress would approve a national abortion ban.  Scott stuck to banning abortions – with the usual exceptions – and supporting a national ban. 

All the candidates gave unconditional support for Israel.  All but DeSantis gave similar support to Ukraine – with DeSantis being less enthused over more funding. 

I gave Haley the win because she was more substantive and sounded like she really knew what she was talking about.  She actually had policies and proposals regarding the issues.  The others seemed to be focusing on gotcha talking points and cheap shot attacks.

Of course, these debates have limited impact since viewership is low.  Trump can correctly claim that voter interest drops when he is not on the stage.

Trump remains the gorilla NOT in the room.  His strategy of speaking at rallies … railing against “the system” … using his court cases for political advantage … and staying out of the debates … seems to be working. 

So, there ‘tis.

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Larry Horist

So,there‘tis… The opinions, perspectives and analyses of Larry Horist Larry Horist is a businessman, conservative writer and political strategist with an extensive background in economics and public policy. Clients of his consulting firm have included such conservative icons as Steve Forbes and Milton Friedman. He has served as a consultant to the Nixon White House and travelled the country as a spokesman for President Reagan’s economic reforms. He has testified as an expert witness before numerous legislative bodies, including the U. S. Congress. Horist has lectured and taught courses at numerous colleges and universities, including Harvard, Northwestern, DePaul universities, Hope College and his alma mater, Knox College. He has been a guest on hundreds of public affairs talk shows, and hosted his own program, “Chicago In Sight,” on WIND radio. Horist was a one-time candidate for mayor of Chicago and served as Executive Director of the City Club of Chicago, where he led a successful two-year campaign to save the historic Chicago Theatre from the wrecking ball. An award-winning debater, his insightful and sometimes controversial commentaries appear frequently on the editorial pages of newspapers across the nation. He is praised by readers for his style, substance and sense of humor. According to one reader, Horist is the “new Charles Krauthammer.” He is actively semi-retired in Boca Raton, Florida where he devotes his time to writing. So, there ‘tis is Horist’s signature sign off.

17 Comments

  1. Dan tyree

    She will pick up more support. Don’t know how much or how long. But she would be a great first female president

  2. Rayzor1

    Nikki is a tool of the Military industrial complex, she’s also a WEF puppet as the writer of this article well knows. controlled opposition.

  3. frank stetson

    What does the vermin think? This vermin would tell his deplorable friends that last time someone said something not quite as horrendous as this, we did not elect her. The debate appeared to care less about Trump and more about each other. Horist is right that the evening did not touch the gorilla not in the room, although orangutang would be more accurate.

    As he loses in court, Trump becomes increasingly unhinged lashing out at opponents right up to the death threat line. Now he often forgets where he is, who is currently President, and more. He continues to wage his never-ending vendetta against Obama after over eight years dude, let it go. It was one dinner at the Press Club… As he screeds his violent suggestions and intentions, his crowd screams in delight their approval. To each of these 1.6 patriot wannabess I say, remember, Captain Bluff and Fluff has often offered to pay the way of his “patriots.” Ask the 1.6-ers how much he ponied up to the bar. Ask them what they think of The Big Lie and the man who made it up as they sit behind bars to doing what they thought their President told them to. Paul Pelosi is a real 80+ year old man who was beaten close to death by a Trumplicant; he is not the butt of your hatred and jokes.

    Why does he do it? Patriot? Countryman? Servant of Democracy? His advisor said it best: “It’s wild. You can’t pay for that kind of coverage,” and you can’t. Money, for Trump it’s always about the money. However, Trump is not the problem, has not been since 2017. It’s Trumpanism that’s destroyed the Republican Party and the nation. Trumpanism has taken over, it’s not the Republican Party but the Trumplicant Party. There are few Republicans any more. Everyone here, except Horist, is a Trumplicant. Horist is not, but he is not a Republican anymore either. He supports Trump in the national, proud to stand up and say, “but not in the primary” like that’s some sort of bravery. This time you won’t even have a weak-kneed Pence to take a stand.

    Why is Horist and so many others no longer considered Republicans? Because Republicans are strong and they would never put up with this shit. Republicans would not toss Cheney, Romney, and the others to the curb just because they claimed they were RINOs or worse. And don’t give me that “stick and stones,” Biden the same, because he isn’t. Not many are. You may be “deplorable,” but you have not been called “vermin.” No one is calling for your extermination and eradication. And we won’t.

    Speaking as one of the vermin to be exterminated, I would think you realize by now that Trump will not win his court cases, a criminal should not win the election. We do not elect someone who is looking to “purify” out blood by building camps for immigrants. We do not elect a person who promises retribution to eradicate any opposition. His radical, extremist, autocratic views contradict our Constitution and our way of life. Trump’s true believers and media amplifiers are lost and most likely cannot be reclaimed. They should be tossed from the Republican party into the niche of American politics that they belong.

    I am afraid that the Horists of this world will continue to stand down, make bland push backs on his “rhetoric,” except it’s not rhetoric. It’s policy, it’s programs, and there will be no guardrails this time to slow him down and keep him on a Constitutional path. Many of you still say 1.6.2021 was a protest gone wild. Well, ask yourself —- what happens if Mike listened to Don? What would have happened if he didn’t certify the vote? How close did we come to an unknown new path for transition of power in our democracy? He is telling you what he will do. It’s you last chance to take a stand. Standing back is no longer an option. If you continue down this extremist path, history will remember, as will those you brand as “vermin.” Remember, you called it, you called for it, and if you don’t stand up, stand proud, rail Reagan-esque against it, then you will be in it, you are part of it.

    Hoist will continue to talk about the debates, Biden, as Nero tunes up his fiddle for his second coming to the throne. He’s missing the not-so-subtle threat to democracy of the autocrat who will run the government like his business: criminally corrupt.

  4. frank stetson

    And for Tom, what would a Stetson Trump tirade be without a top ten list? This one focuses on current events in the crazed mind of Donald J. Trump.

    Here’s ten reasons people like Horist are voting for Donald J. Trump:

    1. “Treason is treason. There’s only one cure for treason – being put to death.” ouch, that sounds like it gonna hurt….

    2. “This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!” for Mark Milley, a general as King Trump makes his Christmas list of who’s naughty and nice.

    3. According to Trump, there “would be no talk of a six-week ban” on abortion “without me” as he criticized even Republicans who voted for more time. That’s right, you’re work was worthless, only Don could overturn Roe.

    4. For law and order, “We will immediately stop all of the pillaging and theft. Very simply: If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store,” and then we’ll check your pockets….. Used to be “shot by cop,” now it’s “shot by mall cop.”

    5. “I don’t think the people of this country are going to stand for it … “This is a disgrace and you ought to go after this attorney general.” Who should undoubtedly be shot like shoplifters, or exterminated like vermin. Black racist that she is. The “enemies list” is multi-page now.

    6. For Congress to work, he suggests “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN!” and we already know what happens to the vermin, the treasonous who don’t pledge loyalty to Don above the Constitution, and even the little people like election workers, court staffers, and that guy who opens doors….

    7. IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” AND I THINK HE MEANS IT THIS TIME.

    8. “We’ll stand up to crazy Nancy Pelosi, who ruined San Francisco — how’s her husband doing, anybody know? And she’s against building a wall at our border, even though she has a wall around her house — which obviously didn’t do a very good job.” As his crowd yells support for Pelosi’s tragedy, they want more, more blood. (you know she’s not the speaker anymore, right?). Don, she’s not speaker anymore….. Obama is not President, and this is the US, not the USSR…

    9. He blames undocumented immigrants for “poisoning the blood of our country,” Yeah, vermin, blood purity, treason, just like Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln would have said about their opponents and America. This is how we roll in Republican land now.

    10. This started as such a homey affair. Remember the good old days, how the rhetoric started so long ago. Remember the days of braggadocio: “You know what I hate? There’s a guy, totally disruptive, throwing punches. We’re not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher.” “Punch the protester in the face.” And now it’s time for blood purification, vermin extermination, and death to all the treasonous, or anyone else Don is miffed at today.

    Horist, and others, you seem to feel proud to not vote for Trump in the primary as if in confession looking for absolution for your sins. Bravo for a meaningless gesture. These were just a mere ten things you will get when you vote for Trump. These are the policies you support with your vote. You will get retribution, revenge, violence, hatred, and lower taxes. You will get a sales job replete with lies and nothing behind the curtain. It does not continue 2017, it continues 1/6/2021. That is Trump. Trump unbridled, Trump unhinged. Holds a grudge, no remorse, just retribution. He’s still hunting Obama and Hillary for God’s sake. That is your movement. That is Trumpism. And you are voting for it. You want more, bigger, better, now with retribution and revenge. There are no guardrails this time. It’s not just rhetoric. It is fascism and you are saying “please don, can I have more?”

  5. JoeyP

    UHHH . . . does WHAT matter?!? Probably NOT.

  6. WEs

    Blah! Blah! Blah! Biden is so incompetent, would rather trust a teen. I wouldn’t trust him walking a kid to a bus stop. Why have he and Hunter not been put behind bars. Because the DOJ and FBI are corrupt. Biden and his Socialist, Marxist, Communist agenda. Lockdowns, push the vaccines and masks, take away guns from law abiding citizens, while criminals run free in the equity world. Where your future is determined by race. I thought they were against racism? Judicial Watch has so many lawsuits against Biden and the DOJ and FBI. You will not hear that on Mainstream Media like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, Washington Post, N.Y. Times, even Fox bowed to the corruption. Tucker Carlson was revealing to much. Let him go is the nice way of saying it. Trump wants to go after the corruption. Started way before he became President. Hillary and others were paying for the Russian nonsense. Still used it with Hunter’s laptop. If it was not so important, why hide it. Why threaten the computer store associate? Biden has been bribed by China. On tape. Thousands of emails. Like Hillary destroyed the server, computer, and thousands of phone calls were deleted. She called Trump getting elected was being helped by Russia. Lied. Records reveal that was a lie. Not just word of mouth. Biden puts America last. People do not want that? Not me. He is the traitor. Gave our fuel to China. Money to Iran. Withdrew troops from Afghanistan, with no planning. Maybe he and others should be held accountable. None have. Our enemies are using our weapons left to hurt us. With the border wide open they can just walk right in. There have been more people on the terror watch list stopped. Record let go. Where is the accountability? Where will they eat, sleep, work? No answers. The wall helped. It is better than nothing. President and all the elites have them. Record drugs like fentanyl. Record human smuggling, trafficking, children being used by cartels to bring the dope. Insanity. I see the sanctuary cities now recognize, that getting illegal immigrants, was not to bright. Any logical person, could see this. Why not the Democrats, politicians, bureaucrats, donors. They did see it. They want to to destroy this country. Trump stood in their way. Why is a Nazi like Soros funding the Democratic Party? It’s the Socialist, Marxist, Communist Democratic agenda. I just showed you. January 6 was not an insurrection. The Summer prior was. Burning businesses, looting, attacking Police and citizens. The January 6 Committee was a farce. What ever became of that? They destroyed the tapes. Oh! Peaceful protests. George Floyd, according to the coroner, the coroner, said he died because of heart condition and drugs. Police still should not have held him like that. Why is crime out of control in mostly Democrat states. I think the word was equity. How about common sense. Equity is not equality folks. And, according to the Capitol Police Chief, now retired, Nancy Pelosi refused the National Guard. She is in charge of the Capitol. Cop that killed an unarmed Ashley Babbitt, was hidden for a year or so in a five star hotel. Paid for. On record. He killed her. Unarmed. Hmm! Why hasn’t the guy that planted devices at the Republican and Democrat sites not been arrested. After the Boston Marathon bombing, you would think. Why were the January 6 visitors, that had nothing to do with violence arrested? Heck, people that had nothing to do with it. Some are still in jail. What happened to equal Justice? It’s not equal. Moving to the Schools being infiltrated. Pushing nudity to kids. CRT is a Marxist term. Look it up. The Democrats hate America. They are the ones that want illegals, criminals voting. No ID. Unlimited voting days. Biden’s policies have destroyed us. Foreign policy a disaster. Climate chaos is a disaster. Economy and inflation a disaster. Keep our fuel. Fix electric grid. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Just someone with common sense. John Kerry is flying unlimited miles causing air pollution. But then the lies cause hot air pollution. If you watch “The First” or NEWSMAX, Jesse Kelly on “ The First”, and Greg Kelly on NEWSMAX. Independent news. You would get the facts. Punishing Americans is insanity. Stop. Big government with these bad policies are not what Americans want. The bureaucrats and Socialists do though. Other corrupt organizations are the WEF, WHO, CDC. Why were only 23 people tested with the vaccines. Answer, money. And the side effects and the lies are coming out. Wake-up. Stop supporting the Radical Democrat agenda. They hate freedoms, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Star Spangled Banner, and Liberty. So why won’t they move to China? XI and Joe are buddies. His bank accounts sure show Chinese money. Used aliases. Very slick. But it’s been exposed. Judicial Watch got you. This life is short. Repent and be Baptized. That is the only way. Tested. The lost think that is foolish. Says it in the Bible. Help at least one person a day. Reject Socialism, hate, and Bigotry.

    • frank stetson

      Wes

      BUSTED for lies, fabrications, and really mean things. I find it amazing that Joe freely publishes well-known complete lies that can harm and hurt others including convincing falsely that people hurt other people because Joe knows lies and decides to publish at will. I would love to see him held liable for the known, harmful, lies Joe condones.

      So Wes, we’ll just pick a couple to emasculate you as the flaccid dick of a man that you are. So, Mr. Limp Dick, can you prove your statements:

      1. “Why have he and Hunter not been put behind bars. Because the DOJ and FBI are corrupt.“ Show us the corruption that allows Comer not to proceed to court.

      2. When has Biden: “take away guns from law abiding citizens.” When and what?

      3. “Judicial Watch has so many lawsuits against Biden and the DOJ and FBI.” How many? Come on, this has to be easy…..
      I can continue but let’s go easy and start here. You are not able to respond anyway, so let’s just call this a day. PROVE IT or STFU. (somehow, I feel neither will happen)

      BUSTED

      • larry Horist

        Frank Stetson … hard to ignore your unadulterated bs. I see you now are a member-in-good-standing of Snowflakes Anonymous. To your three points, you continue to see your OPINIONS as fact. — even when you are wrong. 1. You know both the investigation of Hunter and the impeachment inquiry re Biden are ongoing. You are calling the score while the game is in the early innings. 2. Have you forgotten the assault weapons ban that Biden takes credit for? 3. Judicial Watch has filed law suits. We all know that. Not mentioning the number is not a lie., On these three, you again show your bias or ignorance — or both. Sorry, YOU are busted on this bit of Stetson nonsense.

        • frank stetson

          Larry, you ignorant slut. You’re too old to whore for Trump anymore.

          1. I didn’t call anything asshole. I said: ” Show us the corruption that allows Comer not to proceed to court.” Your response was childish and stupid. But consider the source.

          2. The AWB was under Clinton, it was rescinded. Again, you are living in the past, old man. You see, Biden is PRESIDENT now, and now guns have been taken under his Presidency. So, know I did not forget. It’s just that, like you, you factoid was both wrong, irrelevant, and has even been rescinded so they all got their awb’s back….

          3. You answer is: “We all know that.” Actually you don’t. Or you would have said it.

          sorry, you did not prove a single thing as BUSTED which is worse than being BUSTED. Please, quit lowering my brand :>)

          It’s hard to believe the great Horist, soothsayer of Chicago, Spanky’s big victory, is really this stupid to try to pull this crap and expect folks will not see him as the charlatan that he is. Just another Trumplicant pretending to be Reaganesque. Give it up, that ship has sailed with your expected Trump vote, a second time, after the convictions….. Reagan would never have voted for Trump.

          • larry Horist

            Frank Stetson … I just perused your looooong attack on me in the abortion commentary. And now this. Your counterpoints are not counterpoints. You lose. You have been shown to be wrong on all three points, so you come up
            with some intellectually stupid bank shots. LOL And You opening is pathetic. Do you actually believe your childish insults and bs descriptions of your imaginary Larry Horist strawman have any impact the real me? If you do, you really have lost it. Actually, I knew Reagan — worked for him — and you did not. So, I am not impressed with the imaginary Ronald Reagan you call up to support your specious and mendacious opinions.

          • frank stetson

            oh no specious and mendacious together again!

            sorry, nothing to argue in your response for the obvious reason there’s nothing but an old man faced with the truth that he has not points worth arguing.

  7. WEs

    You shut up. Bozo. It’s not my opinion. The Verdict and IMPRIMIS actually show the facts. You need to get off the Biden catastrophe Bozo. Open borders sending illegals to a city near you. Inflation out of control. But, hey, they passed a bill to not shut the government down. How is that actually helping Americans? I think it gives sleepy Joe more vacation time. Read Judicial Watch dummy. Watch The First with Jesse Kelly, or NEWSMAX. You say Trump is guilty, with a biased judge, prosecutors, and no jury. January 6. Democracy. Couple of words that actually show dumbness. People that were at the Capitol, not protesting, get arrested. How about the recent anti Semitism protests at college campuses and the Capitol. How about Omar, Talib , and others supporting unarmed people in Israel, killed. Cut babies heads off. Biden has ongoing lawsuits. On tape, was bribed. Money into his accounts, China money. He lied he knew nothing of his sons business dealings. FBI hid the laptop before January 6. Showed him with dope, Chinese prostitutes. Money has been put into Joe’s brother, and other family members bank accounts. Quit watching fake news. Over 200 plane rides to different countries on Air Force 2. Another vacation with Hunter. If you research, not the fake news, which is also fact, this is shown. Not just running the pot hole like those news stations. Add The View. I have helped at least one person a day for the past 40+ years. May have missed a day. What are you doing to make the world better? Hiding in the basement with Joe doesn’t count. I look forward to your insults, which just shows how evil and ignorant you are. Despite that, I will pray your soul doesn’t end up in hell. Pray in Jesus name. And I d not stay on the computer all day. I go in the real world. Help the homeless, put people in for a good word when I shop. People I do not even know.

    • frank stetson

      “The Verdict and IMPRIMIS actually show the facts” Which verdict? Got source?

  8. Wes

    Patriotic News gives obvious voter fraud. In one city thousands of dead people voted. Drivers dropping off empty ballots early in the morning. Witnesses testified. Anything that was negative about Biden was pushed as misinformation. Zuckerberg was even told that anything said negative about Biden was Russian disinformation narrative. Turns out. Facts. That alone, shows election as compromised. Big Tech helped. And the Mainstream Media assisted. Pretty convenient. You do the research. It’s there. I ain’t your chump. Bozo.

    • frank stetson

      Got link to PNews story? What city? Got source for Zuckerburge?

      Come on, tell the truth, you just make this shit up, pretend someone said it, and attribute it to a general place. Why not just tell us God told you?

      Still waiting for proof and sources. You got nothing so far.

  9. Wes

    Zuckerberg himself. Obviously you are lazy and do not do your research. I told you The Verdict. I also told you IMPRIMIS. You can order it free. Get it every month. Obviously you follow propaganda. I research stuff. Common sense. It’s obviously hard to find in your area. NewYork. California. I see why some people are moving. Newsome has destroyed California. Put his kids in school during the pandemic, while telling families, they cannot put their children in school. But then you do not do research. How do you even comment? I guess you just look for ways to insult people. In New York, Cuomo. Writing a book about great he is. Sending people into nursing homes that were infected. Trump sent a ship, doctors, masks, beds, and vaccines. Yet, people like you and others blame Trump. That is all Biden does is blame. Everything he blames others doing, he does. Watch some of his prior comments. He said he graduated top of his class at Harvard. I leave it at that. You obviously have your own narrative. Like other voters that voted for Biden, they do not do research before voting. I look at a candidates past history. Was it good. Then compare them to the challenger, or other running mate. Seems to me, people just vote Democrat or Republican just because it’s their choice of party. I could careless who is in the White House as long as they put Americans first. Trump did. Biden hates Americans. Actions speak a lot.

  10. Frank stetson

    Wow, it appears Pence has flipped on Trump in his testimony to Smith and in the press. If he testifies as he is talking, he personally is in the room and the recounting is damning.

    Amazing.

    Eastman trying to sever in Georgia. Looks like Trump, Ghouliani, and Eastman will NOT get deals. Obviously this can change but looks like three are out of rat bingo!

    Time for a Horist case update!!!